Erik Bien
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Maybe not exactly, but I seem to recall you were running around shooting 'prosumer' camcorders for a few years. It's not as if EPIC was your first camera.
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Maybe not exactly, but I seem to recall you were running around shooting 'prosumer' camcorders for a few years. It's not as if EPIC was your first camera.
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I think this thread has more than run its course... There's a lot of douchebag comments in here. There's a lot of people with animosity toward younger members of the community. I've faced this sort of discrimination, condescension, jealousy or whatever for much of my life. I started my first company when I was 14. To say it was an uphill battle would be an understatement. By the time I had been at it for a couple years, the age discrimination didn't phase me anymore, I was totally numb to it. FWIW, I ran that company successfully and profitably for over 7 years before selling it. That's all another story though and one I've actually told pieces of on these forums before... Now that I'm beyond that imaginary age barrier and sprouting grey hairs, when I see the same type of discrimination directed at others, it grates on me.
The point is, there are some people who know what they want, even at an early age. Often these people also know how to go about getting what they want. I personally don't feel that age should confine anyone, nor should it define someone or how others must to relate to someone. As for "paying dues", it's a load of crap. Sure, if you go work for a company or studio or in some structured environment where others have been at it before your arrival, then yes. You should work your way up the ladder or be prepared to show that you're truly better and have the requisite knowledge and experience. While experience does usually come with time and age, not everyone progresses or learns at the same pace. But the popular pre-conceived notion that the younger crowd must somehow automatically take a back seat to others with an age advantage is flawed. At least in my not so humble opinion, and in my personal experiences.
Rich parents? Trust funds? Sure, money can come from those sources. However, to pigeon-hole a younger member of this (or any other) community into that stereotype just based on their ownership of certain tools or toys is not only a product of pure speculation, it can be quite offensive too. And even if those parameters do apply, who cares? I personally don't see an issue with it. Each situation and each case is different and to judge presumed factors, especially those derived from blind assumption, is both unprofessional and crude. As I said above, some people know what they want and how to get it. Young people with money do not always need such sources. Family support is always a plus and it's usually a contributing factor when you see successful people. And not just those at a younger age and when I talk of support, it's not always financial in nature. For me personally, I owe everything I am to my family. My father and grandfather were both entrepreneurs and had a good head for business. They instilled me with a strong work ethic and did their best to teach me everything they could. They did quite well for themselves, but I never asked them for a dime. Had I done so, they would have no doubt helped me and I would do the same for them if the need ever arose, or at least for my parents as my grandparents are no longer around. I can only hope to provide the same for my children and theirs.
I know that a few younger members of our community who advertise their age have faced some discriminatory behavior from others on these forums. It's not cool and some of us take notes. Before making dick comments or applying speculative labels, it might be wise to consider multiple facets to the situation. Perhaps contemplating the possibility that some 15 year old buying a RED camera might already be a crack shot with a DSLR with nearly a decade of experience and could be the best Photoshop wiz within a 300 mile radius of where he lives. He might even have real clients or a legitimate business plan to back his camera purchase, even <gasp> be using his own money.
I'm in full agreement with Mr. Hutson, that DSLR-first advice is a crock. And yes, many (most) of us did start with lesser cameras and there are situations where that makes sense. But if someone has the means and desire to work with a RED camera and wishes to do so, why should they run the DSLR gauntlet first? Personally, I find shooting DSLR video to often be more challenging than shooting with the EPIC. Your mileage may vary...
Anyway, I'm still clenching my teeth over some of the above comments in this thread, so I'm going to pull the plug. If anyone has a problem, they can PM me...
The point is, there are some people who know what they want, even at an early age. Often these people also know how to go about getting what they want. I personally don't feel that age should confine anyone, nor should it define someone or how others must to relate to someone. As for "paying dues", it's a load of crap. Sure, if you go work for a company or studio or in some structured environment where others have been at it before your arrival, then yes. You should work your way up the ladder or be prepared to show that you're truly better and have the requisite knowledge and experience. While experience does usually come with time and age, not everyone progresses or learns at the same pace. But the popular pre-conceived notion that the younger crowd must somehow automatically take a back seat to others with an age advantage is flawed. At least in my not so humble opinion, and in my personal experiences.
Rich parents? Trust funds? Sure, money can come from those sources. However, to pigeon-hole a younger member of this (or any other) community into that stereotype just based on their ownership of certain tools or toys is not only a product of pure speculation, it can be quite offensive too. And even if those parameters do apply, who cares? I personally don't see an issue with it. Each situation and each case is different and to judge presumed factors, especially those derived from blind assumption, is both unprofessional and crude. As I said above, some people know what they want and how to get it. Young people with money do not always need such sources. Family support is always a plus and it's usually a contributing factor when you see successful people. And not just those at a younger age and when I talk of support, it's not always financial in nature. For me personally, I owe everything I am to my family. My father and grandfather were both entrepreneurs and had a good head for business. They instilled me with a strong work ethic and did their best to teach me everything they could. They did quite well for themselves, but I never asked them for a dime. Had I done so, they would have no doubt helped me and I would do the same for them if the need ever arose, or at least for my parents as my grandparents are no longer around. I can only hope to provide the same for my children and theirs.
I know that a few younger members of our community who advertise their age have faced some discriminatory behavior from others on these forums. It's not cool and some of us take notes. Before making dick comments or applying speculative labels, it might be wise to consider multiple facets to the situation. Perhaps contemplating the possibility that some 15 year old buying a RED camera might already be a crack shot with a DSLR with nearly a decade of experience and could be the best Photoshop wiz within a 300 mile radius of where he lives. He might even have real clients or a legitimate business plan to back his camera purchase, even <gasp> be using his own money.
I'm in full agreement with Mr. Hutson, that DSLR-first advice is a crock. And yes, many (most) of us did start with lesser cameras and there are situations where that makes sense. But if someone has the means and desire to work with a RED camera and wishes to do so, why should they run the DSLR gauntlet first? Personally, I find shooting DSLR video to often be more challenging than shooting with the EPIC. Your mileage may vary...
Anyway, I'm still clenching my teeth over some of the above comments in this thread, so I'm going to pull the plug. If anyone has a problem, they can PM me...
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