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I bet I can understand why.

Anyways was liking it, some good info.


My dad, drank ridiculous amount of that "stuff".

He is now in a world of hurt, onset diabetes, heart attack etc.

Our general doctor always warned him he needs to stop drinking that "stuff".


I inherited restless leg syndrome from my mom, so I don't go near any thing with
a hint of chemical preservatives or I'll be crawling the whole night in my bed. Sucks
cause part of me wants to eat/drink some of the stuff but I hate paying the price in
sleepless nights and fidgeting all over like I am a hyper active kid.

On the good side I am a lot healthier then my dad when he was 42.
 
Maybe Jim found out they have 100x more money than him and it could be the first law suite he would loose....
Cigarette company & drug company power games.... Nobody beats them fuckers ! They have buildings full of lawyers !

But Jim has a point, 20 cans of diet coke and a constant burning cigar isn't going to do your health any favours... thats a fact.


Actually, i wonder how that Arri law suite is going, anyone here anything about that... is it dead? or still breathing.
 
It's a tricky subject. Numerous studies have failed to show even a single case of Aspertame sensitivity in a double blind study. That's not saying that they haven't found a *broad* family of results... I mean... none. Not a single person. On the other hand anecdotally even if my Mom doesn't know she drank aspartame she gets really bad hives and an allergic reaction with sore joints. My aunt also stopped drinking diet soda and her joint problems went away. So there might be some other culprit causing the reaction.

In the specific to Jim's problem... Coke Zero doesn't use aspertame so you can get coke free of Aspertame if you still want to drink Coke:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coca-Cola_Zero
 
Brian Iannone said:
Absolutely no idea what anyone's talking about here. But I have to admit, this is an entertaining thread in a digital cinematography camera forum. :-)
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Yup, you don't see the boss of a camera company post stuff like that on other forums :D
 
Brian Iannone said:
Absolutely no idea what anyone's talking about here. But I have to admit, this is an entertaining thread in a digital cinematography camera forum. :-)
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Jim (LONG MAY HE LIVE!) was musing about his consumption of artificial sweetner as he is somewhat of a Diet Coke enthusiast and how it may relate to his current state of well being based on his personal research.
 
Gavin Greenwalt said:
It's a tricky subject. Numerous studies have failed to show even a single case of Aspertame sensitivity in a double blind study.
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Says Monsanto... & wikipedia. Both sources I would not trust. There are independent studies that do get swept under the rug by the megacoprs. Happens often enough. If you got the money and the resources, propaganda and "de-bunking" the opposition is easy. Remember the tobacco industry? There was a time when smoking was even considered to be healthy - while studies showed clear evidence of its fatality. And people still use oil don't they?
 
Gavin Greenwalt said:
Coke Zero doesn't use aspertame
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Jim was speaking about his anecdotal experience rather than empirical evidence. But just because the empirical evidence hasn't proven something unsafe doesn't mean it won't happen eventually. Many cultures' use of herbs and spices were unproven for years but the culture knew anecdotally that the benefits of their use were there. Science has recently dropped its adversarial stance toward misunderstood holistic cures and has actually conducted studies that either prove or disprove the claims with empirical data. And sometimes a study that seems to disprove a benefit may show the opposite effect when included in a Meta study.
 
Do you think Jim will complain that is thread was deleted?

LOL!
 
Yeah there was some useful info.

In fact I planned to take the printed version of the first thread to my dad's hospital bedside to show him and try once again
to motivate him into a better lifestyle.

I figure if a "billionaire mega-genius business man" can be humble enough to admit he might be overdoing it on something that
might be hurting his health, than this is can help in convincing my dad to change his ways a bit.

BUT....

Literally as I was about to print out the first page of the thread... boom it dissapeared.

I mean I get it totally, it's just a shame because I was going to use it like I think Jim intended...
to inform my dad on why driniking a gallon every other day of this stuff is not good.

I will show my dad this thread..unless it gets deleted also.
 
And I kid you not, my dad would polish of a 2 litre by the end of the day almost everday, so like I said a gallon every other day.

And he doesn't drink alcohol, or smoke. He does eat, a lot of lunch meats, and canned soups (quick and easy) and then washes it
all down with "Diet..."

It's insane and he has a whole litany of problems beyond the onset/Type 2 diabetes.

I mean a lot of things and symptoms are like what Jim had said.

It's like his body hit a tipping point and boom, no going back to healthy.

He could though significantly improve his life though.
 
Michael McLaughlin said:
And he doesn't drink alcohol, or smoke. He does eat, a lot of lunch meats, a canned soups (quick and easy) and then washes it
all down with "Diet..."

...

It's like his body hit a tipping point and boom, no going back to healthy like Jim though.

He could significantly improve his life though.
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The nitrites in the lunch meat may be as bad as the diet soda. A long term study I recently read concluded that people who eat chicken lived the longest, people who eat fish came in second I think, just in front of or behind those who get their protein from vegetables like beans, people who eat red meat (beef, pork) came in fourth while people who ate cured meats like bologna, bacon, lunch meats etc. came in with the shortest life expectancy. This was a very large study as I recall, numbering into many thousands of individuals being followed. And the differences in longevity were substantial.

But I think there is a possibility of going back to health. If nothing else, improve a little as you say and soon science will find new ways to improve one's health. But I maintain that you can improve your lot by making changes. I needed reading glasses in my 40s. After making lifestyle and dietary changes I was able to do away with the glasses. My eyes still focus far and near well enough if I have sufficient light.
 
Jerrod

Thanks very much. I copied and printed it out with some of the other comments.


Oh and thanks to JIM for the original thread start... gotta love RedUser.
 
Elsie,

Yah the amount of nitrites and other preservatives in some of that stuff is awful.

Your body can really get screwed up when it accepts in something it "thinks" is a substance only
to have it be a mimic-ally close but off by one or two molecules. Over long periods of time this stuff
can accumulate. The body doesn't know what to do with certain parts of the chain cause it was never
a natural created product in the first place, it was created in labotories for speed, efficeincy and cost.
Only sometimes is the impact of health really taken into account.

Regardless I believe now a lot of science will come out in the next ten years on some these manufactured
food additive products being not exactly the healthiest for us and having un-intended consequences from
multi decades long consumption and bio-accumulation.

And that's the problem that maybe Jim, and I know my dad have hit. You can be somewhat fine for 30 years eating
and drinking this crap, and then all the sudden shit hits the fan, and you have negative cascading health effects.
 
Agreed, Elsie. I'm in the chicken and grains category: I just turned sixty and am fighting fit. I walk, hike, bike regularly. I can still party like a demon though.

On another note, I have quite a few hair raising stories about family and friends who suffered for years before finding out that the main culprit was the prescribed medication they were on. One buddy took his dad, ailing for years, to a doc for a "second opinion": most of his dad's medication was stopped and he went from a trembling mess that could barely stand up, to a pretty steady old guy that now walks down to the local to have a pint. And don't get me started about the valium that was prescribed to my mother when I was a kid. That was some party. And no, there was no correlation between having me as a kid and being prescribed valium. Hmm, I don't think there was ( :
 
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