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Wow! New iMac PRO Demo 8k Unrendered NEW FCPX 10.4 w Color Wheel, 360 editing,

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Wow! Did anyone else miss apple Creative summit yesterday where they previewed new iMac Pro running a new version of FCPX 10.4.

http://www.fcp.co/final-cut-pro/new...curves-colour-controls-and-360-tools-built-in

10.4 on iMac Pro can play 4K native RED footage with colour correction & title overlay unrendered on the timeline
10.4 on iMac Pro can play optimised (ProRes 4444) in 8K with colour correction and effects in an unrendered timeline
Support for HDR
HEVC Support
360 tools built in including 360 and 360 3D titles built in motion
New Colour Wheels with RGB and Hue/Saturation Curves

.... and WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER STUFF!!
 
Kalechi Noel said:
New Colour Wheels with RGB and Hue/Saturation Curves
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Finally, they realized it. However, thank to Apple for still supporting and developing FCPX
 
I had a chance to see the new fcpx in action some very impressive things in there!!! Might not please the top few percent but certianly will take the entire middle market.
 
Saying "10.4 on iMac Pro can play 4K native RED footage with colour correction & title overlay unrendered on the timeline" is really meaningless. I can do the same thing with 8k Helium on MacPro 5.1 easy. The trick is the debayer quality setting. Nowhere did they mention, that the material wasn't "optimized" in the background (it probably was) or what debayer quality was used. Regardless, I can do the same thing on Resolve at 1/8 quality without any "optimization" in real time (higher res may also work depending on the R3D compression) and that means at 1/8 I'm still doing an HD resolution. And all that can be done on a computer at a tiny fraction of the price- around $1500 for MacPro 5.1 with GTX1080 vs estimated price of $17,5k for iMacPro...
And I can upgrade my MacPro with newer and cheaper GPUs, bigger and faster SSDs, newer video output cards as they become available and all that always within the same computer enclosure without resorting to the rat's nest of TB cables with external enclosures.
Using iMac IMHO for any kind of professional work is a mistake. At least wait for the next generation of MacPro. Hopefully Apple will finally come to it's senses and designs a proper professional computer, that is upgradable and reasonably priced.
 
It'd be rad if they finally allowed user changeable pause/playback quality (e.g. full quality paused, 1/8 playback); then it would always run in realtime.

When is 10.4 dropping?
 
Well we ALL know your machine is not running 8k pro res 444 with titles and effects so what’s the point of mentioning your old Mac Pro!? Lol

The new iMac pro imo is the best Value for your dollar! Aside from all the configurable horse power under the hood , The 5k retina screen is also 10bit . A nicely configured iMac will do everything you need it to do (editing and color )

jake blackstone said:
Saying "10.4 on iMac Pro can play 4K native RED footage with colour correction & title overlay unrendered on the timeline" is really meaningless. I can do the same thing with 8k Helium on MacPro 5.1 easy. The trick is the debayer quality setting. Nowhere did they mention, that the material wasn't "optimized" in the background (it probably was) or what debayer quality was used. Regardless, I can do the same thing on Resolve at 1/8 quality without any "optimization" in real time (higher res may also work depending on the R3D compression) and that means at 1/8 I'm still doing an HD resolution. And all that can be done on a computer at a tiny fraction of the price- around $1500 for MacPro 5.1 with GTX1080 vs estimated price of $17,5k for iMacPro...
And I can upgrade my MacPro with newer and cheaper GPUs, bigger and faster SSDs, newer video output cards as they become available and all that always within the same computer enclosure without resorting to the rat's nest of TB cables with external enclosures.
Using iMac IMHO for any kind of professional work is a mistake. At least wait for the next generation of MacPro. Hopefully Apple will finally come to it's senses and designs a proper professional computer, that is upgradable and reasonably priced.
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It was not optimized. They stated so. I was there.

It was playing back on "Best Quality" setting (not "Best Performance").

Be skeptical if you want. Your choice.

Apple's biggest claim to fame on performance has everything to do with the match between software and hardware. I doubt you'll get this kind of performance out of Premier Pro on the new iMac Pro. (But we'll have to wait to see.)

Oh - and, BTW - it also played 8K footage - optimized - without a hiccup.
 
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It's good to see that Apple is stil optimizing it's soft and hardware. Adobe should have a good look at Apple, Davinci and all the others.
I'm not an apple adept but they sure know how to deliver a good screen.
 
I really wish FCPX would just implement the 1/8, 1/4 quality thing.
 
jake blackstone said:
I can do the same thing with 8k Helium on MacPro 5.1 easy. The trick is the debayer quality setting. Nowhere did they mention, that the material wasn't "optimized" in the background (it probably was) or what debayer quality was used. Regardless, I can do the same thing on Resolve at 1/8 quality without any "optimization" in real time (higher res may also work depending on the R3D compression) and that means at 1/8 I'm still doing an HD resolution. And all that can be done on a computer at a tiny fraction of the price.
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The point is that it can play back 4k resolution at full debayer, whereas you’re only playing back at 1k right? I presume the debayer resolution number refers to the decrease in resolution along one axis rather than overall pixel count, ie 1/2 of 8k is 4k, 1/4 is 2k and 1/8 is 1k.

If that’s the case then the IMac Pro is performing 4x better than your MacPro.
 
There's a different between R3D running native 4K inside an NLE and actual fluent workflow for creative editing. With all the twists and turns, edits, takes after takes, test that, try this logo on top of that, place those together, can we paint that out now and so on; it doesn't matter at all what the R3D playback capabilities of the NLE are.

The main thing about editing is going by the speed of thought. Even a quarter second lag on pressing play to see a clip is seriously destroying the workflow. If you put enough money into it you will get perfect playback of high resolution files at uncompressed, but the budget for that will be so insane there are a lot better ways to spend your money.

I've seen these "you can now playback 4k native... blabla on your NLE" so many times and there's still no NLE that comes close to the fluent feel even on regular ProRes LTs at 1080p. Closest I've got for robust high level editing is Avid for large projects and Premiere is almost primarily what I use for everything these days in terms of short projects. Both of them have almost instant playback for proxy-material and I can work with the speed of thought through the keyboard (which is way faster than any mouse-based workflow).

The actual key isn't really the computer itself. If CCs are done by the GPU on the fly and you need to invest in something, then the two most important things are a good GPU and very fast drives. If you can reach almost top speeds of TB2 or TB3 (USB-C) with a RAID and if the GPU can render 4K R3D at full debayer, you will be able to use any computer for it. I've seen a lot of people investing extreme amounts in their computers but then get surprised when they really can't play back anything due to the fact that they don't have any real drives for the workload.

I still don't see how FCPX wins over Premiere in regards to realtime playback with a good system.
 
Christoffer Glans said:
There's a different between R3D running native 4K inside an NLE and actual fluent workflow for creative editing. With all the twists and turns, edits, takes after takes, test that, try this logo on top of that, place those together, can we paint that out now and so on; it doesn't matter at all what the R3D playback capabilities of the NLE are.

The main thing about editing is going by the speed of thought. Even a quarter second lag on pressing play to see a clip is seriously destroying the workflow. If you put enough money into it you will get perfect playback of high resolution files at uncompressed, but the budget for that will be so insane there are a lot better ways to spend your money.

I've seen these "you can now playback 4k native... blabla on your NLE" so many times and there's still no NLE that comes close to the fluent feel even on regular ProRes LTs at 1080p. Closest I've got for robust high level editing is Avid for large projects and Premiere is almost primarily what I use for everything these days in terms of short projects. Both of them have almost instant playback for proxy-material and I can work with the speed of thought through the keyboard (which is way faster than any mouse-based workflow).

The actual key isn't really the computer itself. If CCs are done by the GPU on the fly and you need to invest in something, then the two most important things are a good GPU and very fast drives. If you can reach almost top speeds of TB2 or TB3 (USB-C) with a RAID and if the GPU can render 4K R3D at full debayer, you will be able to use any computer for it. I've seen a lot of people investing extreme amounts in their computers but then get surprised when they really can't play back anything due to the fact that they don't have any real drives for the workload.

I still don't see how FCPX wins over Premiere in regards to realtime playback with a good system.
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Easiest way to get that smooth workflow you describe in FCPX is to switch into Proxy mode. Butter smooth on modest hardware. If you want to stay within FCPX to color and finish from the R3Ds, just switch it back to full quality at the end. That workflow has been around for a while in FCPX. If new version gives you the ability to adapt to multiple resolutions based on system performance, as well as the option to do a proxy mode, then Apple will have a very nice way to handle high res, demanding workflows.
 
Shiblon Wixom said:
"FCPX" or is it really "iMovie Pro"
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I've used iMovie, not really my cup of tea. But FCPX can easily make me money, so I'd say for those that find the feature set useful to them, it can be as pro as you want it to be. For everyone else, there are plenty of options. FCPX still has weaknesses. But I can easily point out weaknesses in all of the "professional" NLEs. Fortunately we are in a time where you are not forced to use just one of them.
 
jake blackstone said:
Using iMac IMHO for any kind of professional work is a mistake. At least wait for the next generation of MacPro. Hopefully Apple will finally come to it's senses and designs a proper professional computer, that is upgradable and reasonably priced.
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I agree completely with Jake. The lack of expandability with the so-called iMac Pro is going to be a killer. I would wait until next year's Mac Pro desktop and see if Apple finally rectifies all the mistakes made with the 2013 Mac Pro.
 
iMac Pro is a bit like the iPhone X, at the time of purchase it's expensive but okay or even very good......

The biggest problem with is FCPX is that once using it you can't learn working with an other NLE. When using PP you can learn Vegas, Edius, Davinci, etc... this however is not possible with FCPX.
Same is true for Mac OS, ones using it you will never be able to learn an other operating system.
 
Misha Engel said:
iMac Pro is a bit like the iPhone X, at the time of purchase it's expensive but okay or even very good......

The biggest problem with is FCPX is that once using it you can't learn working with an other NLE. When using PP you can learn Vegas, Edius, Davinci, etc... this however is not possible with FCPX.
Same is true for Mac OS, ones using it you will never be able to learn an other operating system.
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I don't feel that way at all. I use Avid, FCPX, Premiere, and Resolve based on what type of project I'm doing.

As for operating system, doesn't matter which one once I'm inside the app. Avid is just about the same on either platform. Premiere has its quirks on a Mac but essentially the same. Resolve is essentially the same.
 
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