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Witness Marks On RED, but Not for me

i have the Red focus hook around here somewhere - it was on the camera back in Jan but took it off in Feb ..
i can see where the focus hook has the plane but i just use the front of the body ...
does 1/4" really make a difference when you tape measure ?
 
Even if Red offered to pay the shipping and retrofit #351... I'd rather put the marks on myself (2.8mm back from the front plate) and not loose my camera for a week or more.

Being a sixteenth or two out with my tape isn't really a factor when the Red 18-50mm doesn't have any witness marks to move to. Now when I mount a different lens that might change... but I still can't see it needing millimeter accuracy. What lens is marked to the millimeters or the 1/16ths anyway?

Now a calibrated digital readout on the side of the lens showing down to the millimeter or 1/16th... that would be cool... does anyone have that? Do the Canon still lenses have the internal ability to read the focus to that kind of accuracy? It would be an interesting thing if the Birger mount could let us focus a Canon lens to 3.839 meters.

Now try telling the actor to hit that mark!

And you can tell I'm Canadian because I can't make up my mind about which measuring system to use.
 
Jay A. Kelley said:
Just so you all know...

So... I'm wrong.. My camera is what it is, and I will make it wonderful..

It's mine.. my own.... MY PRECIOUS...

Jay
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Red adopted a business model unlike any in any industry. When Sonys and Panys release a product they test it internally before they start selling to public. Usually, they have full blown specs too so you can decide for yourself whether you want to buy at that point in time.

Unlike that Red has adopted a strategy of recruiting a willing, paying customers to test a product that is perhaps 75% ready. No full blown specs here either. Probably to limit liability. All of us willingly, perhaps unknowingly, bought into this strategy. And many of us are happy too because we got a great product at a great price. Jannard stated everything in life changes. Being a shrewed businessman, he didn't say how often. That is where you got caught, unfortunately.

I enjoy your posts immensely since they are no holds barred. As such, would you be happy if I buy you the Focus Hook, seriously.

Any way, whatever happened to your "great workflow discovered". I am still waiting.
 
Prem Edpuganti said:
I enjoy your posts immensely since they are no holds barred. As such, would you be happy if I buy you the Focus Hook, seriously.
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HAHAHAHA!! Are you serious?!
:)

If you are then you have my most heart-felt thanks. But no, it's been all taken care of.

Thanks!

Jay

I am looking to buy a Cantor-X2 if you wanna help out with that!

:)
 
If RED fixes the issues in the production pack and changes the orientation of the LEMO connectors on the camera so they work with right angle connectors and doesn't upgrade existing users then I think you'd see a riot. Witness marks... eh, buy the hook, paint one on, whatever. Not going to impact your resale value.

Early adopters and purchasers should always get preferred treatment. They are "the base". They are marketing tools. Unless you turn them into "tools".
 
joelnet said:
If RED fixes the issues in the production pack and changes the orientation of the LEMO connectors on the camera so they work with right angle connectors and doesn't upgrade existing users then I think you'd see a riot. Witness marks... eh, buy the hook, paint one on, whatever. Not going to impact your resale value.

Early adopters and purchasers should always get preferred treatment. They are "the base". They are marketing tools. Unless you turn them into "tools".
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These are good points. Upgrades are one thing, fixing existing problems are another. However I have gotten the impression that RED does intend to fix these errors. At least I hope so! You are right, if they don't... There will be blood...

I need to see that movie.

Jay
 
For all those early adopters without a focus hook, here's a picture I took for the "Focal Plane" thread:

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I totally understand where you're coming from Jay - I do. But - why shouldn't RED add the witness mark and all the other stuff they might add to make the camera even better? You might consider the lack of a witness mark an error - I say it's an improvement to add it. See the difference?

There's ALWAYS a cost of being one of the first. With that said - I'm sure I'll be jealous of the ones who get their camera six months after me for all the added features they get.

But - the fact that I'll be six months ahead of them in terms of experience makes it up for it. And then some.
 
I gotta tell you guys... whether you're coming in early or late in the game, being a member of the RED family is something you will never regret. We sit here day in and day out watching and listening and we will never stop bending over backwards to make things right. You'll hear "yes" far more often than you'll hear "no" and at this stage in the game, it is not enough to offer you the best image quality and the lowest price. We want you to have the best customer service in the industry. Period.
 
Jay, I hear you.

But if I can offer this piece of advice to help you out:

*From a guy who can't even afford having a red reserver and who has been drooling over this since the white website with the stock car photos*

You have a Red camera NOW. That gives you leverage. What might look like a bummer (lack of a witness mark) also is your most precious asset.

This is the window of time when everybody wants to shoot with a red and there are only a few in the market. Play this year straight, you'll hav plenty of money to spend on Red ones or twos next year, all with included witness marks, lol.

I guess its just a matter of point of view. I consider yourself and your witness-mark-free camera a lucky bastard. Just go with it!

Cheers and good luck!
 
Jay, man, you need to pick your battles.

A lot of the complaints I see you make are kind of pointless as even if the situation was "remedied" to how you want, the practical differences are negligible.
 
Nathan Buxton said:
Jay, man, you need to pick your battles.

A lot of the complaints I see you make are kind of pointless as even if the situation was "remedied" to how you want, the practical differences are negligible.
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The difference between you and I Nathan, is that I did not view this as a fight. In my world it is possible to have a disagreement with someone while respecting and liking them at the same time.

I had an issue, I brought it before RED, and then our community, in both places things became better because of it.
I have no regrets.

As for a lot of my complaints being pointless, you're welcome to your opinion, but I hope you won't be shocked if I ignore it since it's so tackless it borders on an attack. And THIS is a battle that's not worth my time.

:)

Jay
 
Ok I apologize. I didnt really mean to attack you, and it's good that you are involved with red and are supporting them. I think sometimes you cry wolf on things that are not that big a deal.

although it sucks your cam doesnt have a witness mark for the focal plane... thats not really the only solution to the problem of "locating the focus plane"

I just mean that the red team kinda have bigger fish to fry, you know?
 
Nathan Buxton said:
Ok I apologize. I didnt really mean to attack you, and it's good that you are involved with red and are supporting them. I think sometimes you cry wolf on things that are not that big a deal.

although it sucks your cam doesnt have a witness mark for the focal plane... thats not really the only solution to the problem of "locating the focus plane"

I just mean that the red team kinda have bigger fish to fry, you know?
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It's all good my friend... Are you coming to NAB? We can break bread and speak as men do.
Jay
 
Hey Jay and Nathan, get a room already... ;) (kidding of course)
I tried to use some linotape. Wouldn't stick. Camera tape sticks, but it's kinda ugly and the glue eventually dries out and makes a mess so it's not really a long-term solution.
I'm sure there is a way, carefully and cleanly done, to have a machine shop simply "score" the camera body all the way around and use a model paint brush and some yellow model paint.
At least that's what I'm going to try.
I was thinking Dremel, but I'm not sure I really have the skills...
Cheers,
Harry
 
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