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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Windows NLE Systems

Sean said:
There seems to be some back and forth on this. From what I can gather, you're not quite correct. RedCine doesn't export DNxHD codec. It exports various QT codecs (not including DNxHD), and Avid would transcode this to DNxHD. Mr. Rob Lohman of Red has himself stated that Avid will require "transcoding" (at least at this point in time) and that such transcoding does have an impact on time and quality.
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REDCINE DOES export to the DNxHD codec, if it is installed on your system. It just, as Gavin said, packages that codec in a Quicktime wrapper which Avid needs to re-package as OMF. This is NOT a transcoding process.

When Rob was talking about transcoding he meant (correct me if I'm wrong Rob) that Avid would need to transcode REDCODE (RAW or RGB) files if you imported them directly without going through REDCINE first.

Either way there is only one transcode necessary, done either by REDCINE or Avid, but not both.
 
Tranquil_Light said:
I've done five ~80min projects in it and while I feel I might have to move to FCP for a 4K flow, if it was just 1080 I'd stick with Edius. I might even go with some sort of hybrid flow??? I guess I'll find out at NAB.

All the best, Phil
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Phil,

I'm hoping for some sort of hybrid workflow too. I see no reason why you couldn't offline 1080P in Edius. Canopus (GV) has always been innovative and I'm sure they are fully aware of the RED camera. I don't imagine they want to lose people like you and me to FCP. Anyway, I certainly don't expect to edit 4K right off the bat. Although, the ability to do so with REDCODE and REDCINE wouldn't shock me. These guys are working miracles at RED. NAB should bring some nifty suprises. Take care.
 
Nick: yes, that's what I meant!
 
damonbots said:
Phil,

I'm hoping for some sort of hybrid workflow too. I see no reason why you couldn't offline 1080P in Edius. Canopus (GV) has always been innovative and I'm sure they are fully aware of the RED camera. I don't imagine they want to lose people like you and me to FCP. Anyway, I certainly don't expect to edit 4K right off the bat. Although, the ability to do so with REDCODE and REDCINE wouldn't shock me. These guys are working miracles at RED. NAB should bring some nifty suprises. Take care.
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Well the other thing that one of the RED team mentioned a while back when I brought up the subject of Edius; was that REDCINE would output to the Edius HQ codec format if I had that installed on my system - which I do of course. That's if I understood what was being said correctly? I may not - I don't see how REDCINE can 'know' what codecs I have installed much less what the spec is - unless it's all contained in a DLL or something like that???

Does anyone have a better insight into how this works than me on this topic??

Thanks a lot, Phil
 
I assume REDCINE just outputs using Quicktime. Quicktime handles the encoding to any codec installed on your system, and the list of available codecs is in the Quicktime compression dialog. So REDCINE doesn't need to 'know' what codecs you have.

It's just the same way you can render to any installed codec in eg After Effects.
 
It needs to be a QuickTime codec for REDCINE to see it and work with it.
 
Nick Shaw said:
I assume REDCINE just outputs using Quicktime. Quicktime handles the encoding to any codec installed on your system, and the list of available codecs is in the Quicktime compression dialog. So REDCINE doesn't need to 'know' what codecs you have.

It's just the same way you can render to any installed codec in eg After Effects.
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Thanks Nick - that's clear now. I haven't used QuickTime much so I'm not familiar with it's capabilities. What version of QT are we talking about specifically here ??

Thanks, Phil
 
Could I use AE for windows and REDCINE?
I imagine most of out initial work will be
short EFX - shot on RED and then output
as some flavor of HD file from AE.
 
REDCINE to After Effects

REDCINE to After Effects

Red Guy said:
Could I use AE for windows and REDCINE?
I imagine most of out initial work will be
short EFX - shot on RED and then output
as some flavor of HD file from AE.
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I read somewhere on the forum that REDCINE could output a sequnce of .TIFF files which you could load into AE and then output a movie file of some sort from AE.

I just started AE to see if it picked up the Edius HQ codec as an output option. Sadly it didn't do this so I'm not sure how you would set the HD output option up?? Having said that I probably haven't set up AE correctly. I'll let you know if I crack that one.

All the best, Phil
 
Red Guy said:
Could I use AE for windows and REDCINE? I imagine most of out initial work will be short EFX - shot on RED and then output as some flavor of HD file from AE.
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From what I understand, Redcode Raw should load into any app that supports Quicktime at that resolution, assuming the codec has been installed.

So you'd probably be able to load Redcode Raw files directly into AE.
 
Yes, you should be able to load REDCODE RAW in AE. However, most people seem to like image sequences in post with effects and so on. REDCINE exports to DPX, Cineon, Tiff, JPEG, OpenEXR & Targa image sequences.

So even if for whatever treason the QuickTime codec path is not an option you can always export still image sequences (both cropped and/or resampled to lower resolutions if you want) and load that in your post apps.
 
AE HD settings

AE HD settings

Tranquil_Light said:
I read somewhere on the forum that REDCINE could output a sequnce of .TIFF files which you could load into AE and then output a movie file of some sort from AE.

I just started AE to see if it picked up the Edius HQ codec as an output option. Sadly it didn't do this so I'm not sure how you would set the HD output option up?? Having said that I probably haven't set up AE correctly. I'll let you know if I crack that one.

All the best, Phil
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Hi RedGuy,

Well I cracked it - after RTFM :umm:

As I know I'll forget all this I've saved it a WEB page for later, enjoy:

http://philbecque.googlepages.com/aehdoutputhelp

All the best, Phil
 
Hi ,
In HD resolutions Canopus edius is the best affordable solution (no need for extra codecs or hardwares) . But if you want to upgrade to 2K or use AE 7 for decent effects then adobe production suite with cineform prospect is the choice (10 bits 2K editing and effects without rendering). Both cineform codec and canopus HQ codec are interactive and variable (AVID and FCP codecs are not) . The more bits you add (8 , 10 log , 12) the more bucks you spend , the same is for the resolutions (HDV , HD , 2K , 4 K) . Is possible to do the cuts on avid Xpress or composer , save as quick time reference then do effects on AE7 without rendering . If you don't have many cuts and NLE tasks on you shots then AE7 with a robust hardware station can handle the 2K resolution with great results using any codec type .

Regards .
 
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