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Will there ever be a Scarlet?

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Zack Finer

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First of all I want to say I am writing this not to "bitch" but to constructively vent, and maybe get some answers. Lets keep this post positive and try and stay away from bashing one another (which happens far to often on this forum).

When the Scarlet was announced almost two years ago I was ecstatic, I had spent so many hours looking at the RED ONE specs and pictures dreaming about the far off day that I could afford to buy a camera of this caliber. Then RED announced they were releasing a "3k for 3k"... I died and went to heaven. I could finally move from my Canon XL2 (which has done so much for me) and make a move to a near-studio-quality camera at a price someone like myself could actually fathom.

Two years have passed and now with DLSRs like the Canon Mark iv and still no Scarlet i am starting to reluctantly rethink things. A DLSR of equal quality (Hot Rod) and usability for a shooter like myself are even more expensive than the Scarlets original announced price.

So what do I do? Do I go out and spend $5k on a DSLR setup that will give me good quality shots, or do I sit by reading about more delays, more bells and whistles (that I never needed), and a higher price?

I have never owned a RED, but I fully consider myself a fanboy and a true believer because of the quality produced by RED. I want to join that club of true believers, but I don't have $50k.

The Scarlet seemed like my answer, but now it is looking to be a far off dream just like the RED ONE.

Your constructive comments will be greatly appreciated.
Regards,
Zack Finer
 
You are correct, there is no Scarlet today. But circle back in the fall of year and check on things. If you are needy, yes go for the Canon.
 
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sorry but there is plenty of info out there, this thread seems unnecessary.
 
No, duh! It's a scam!! ;)

A video from yesterday:
Peter Arnold said:
In the meantime a little clip with Ted Schilowitz can be found here.

Peter
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Ted Schilowitz, about the start of Epic mass production: "...we are talking in an order of a few months now. That's the target. An engineering target".
Then he added: "...Scarlet will follow a few months later". We knew all of this but still nice to see Ted repeat it.

Talking about other player's reactions to RED's development over the past few years: "...now everyone else is figuring out, they need to do similar things".
 
It's done when it is done. What exactly is hard about that?
When you have a shoot and need a camera, you get one. Or, hopefully, you knew you needed one and got one.
Rule #1 of camera owning: Never wait for a camera when it does not have a firm release date (as in, "We PROMISE it will be out this very day...unless the world ends, which is subject to change!")

All the best!
Erik Franzén, Director/Writer, The Darkly Dreaming Team
 
..its true, there is no Scarlet as of today, chances are it wont be for sale tomorrow and the end of the year is even looking sketchy. BUT Today we do have the Epic! and that's one HUGE step closer to the Scarlet.

Waiting for something you desperately want is hard, I agree, waiting for something you NEED is even harder. So I guess the question here is...is Scarlet something you want? or something you need? You say that your canon has served you well to this point, and there is no reason to believe that it wont go on serving you well for another couple of years. If your business is suffering because you NEED to shoot at higher resolutions, or want to take advantage of Digital HD then I would suggest good business sense would be to buy a camera that you can afford and keep you and your business moving forward....ie a canon/nikon etc.

Like the EPIC and the REDONE before it, the scarlet will be a game changer at the level it performs at. But it would be foolish to put anything on hold while waiting for the holly grail of INDIE Rigs to fall into your lap. Are we closer to the Scarlet today than we were 2 years ago? HELL YES we are! will we be getting it soon? I doubt it. But will it be worth the investment when it arrives? you can bet your ass! Will it all have been worth the wait? ..are you kidding me? of course!

If you need a better camera today, then by all means buy one. If you can wait for the Scarlet that's cool too, but ultimately its your decision hard as though I know it is to make ;)
 
Scarlet is here...

Scarlet is here...

http://reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=43795 :drool5:

I totally understand the drive to have an exceptional camera from RED. I'm in the "I hope I can get Epic Stage 2, but will probably have to wait for Stage 3" category.

It seems to me that there is real world RED momentum building up for the release of Epic/Scarlet. If Epic is near, and Scarlet is a subset of Epic, Scarlet can't be far behind.

Having said this, if you need something right now grab a Canon T2i kit for $900 and shoot. If you have to sell it when Scarlet is shipping it should be fairly easy to sell.


Zack Finer said:
The Scarlet seemed like my answer, but now it is looking to be a far off dream just like the RED ONE.
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Robert Frank said:
If you have to sell it when Scarlet is shipping it should be fairly easy to sell.
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...or just keep it and use it to take stills at all the productions you're on with your SCARLET! :ihih:
 
If you really need something to shoot with now, but don't want to make a huge investment, you're not gonna find anything better than the T2i. $900 gets you the body and a decent kit lens, so if you're impatient, it's got great capabilities for the price.
 
Yah short of an announcement today at red day. I'm gonna have to just move on and think of the scarlet like world peace and a new firefly movie. Possible but better to put my energy and money into another arena. Unfortunately investing in a system means waiting much longer for the scarlet no matter the release date. Gaining liquid capital is tough.

I think this is a very frightening/exciting time for those of us just scrapping into the market. With the new Sony and Panasonic cinema camera slated for next year. The bar is gonna be raised in a big way. We are all excited at the prospect of some new tools but terrified of backing a betamax. Which is why I am most likely investing in a 5D to augment my XHA1. It isn't as great at video as the 7D but long after it has run its course as a video camera it will take stills on a professional level.

The old curse is true "May you live in interesting times"
 
John Bannister said:
..its true, there is no Scarlet as of today, chances are it wont be for sale tomorrow and the end of the year is even looking sketchy. BUT Today we do have the Epic! and that's one HUGE step closer to the Scarlet.

Waiting for something you desperately want is hard, I agree, waiting for something you NEED is even harder. So I guess the question here is...is Scarlet something you want? or something you need? You say that your canon has served you well to this point, and there is no reason to believe that it wont go on serving you well for another couple of years. If your business is suffering because you NEED to shoot at higher resolutions, or want to take advantage of Digital HD then I would suggest good business sense would be to buy a camera that you can afford and keep you and your business moving forward....ie a canon/nikon etc.

Like the EPIC and the REDONE before it, the scarlet will be a game changer at the level it performs at. But it would be foolish to put anything on hold while waiting for the holly grail of INDIE Rigs to fall into your lap. Are we closer to the Scarlet today than we were 2 years ago? HELL YES we are! will we be getting it soon? I doubt it. But will it be worth the investment when it arrives? you can bet your ass! Will it all have been worth the wait? ..are you kidding me? of course!

If you need a better camera today, then by all means buy one. If you can wait for the Scarlet that's cool too, but ultimately its your decision hard as though I know it is to make ;)
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I totally agree, the thing is I don't know if i will be able to resell my canon in a few years at such a good value, thus not being able to fund the Scarlet.
 
Kenneth Elkington said:
If you really need something to shoot with now, but don't want to make a huge investment, you're not gonna find anything better than the T2i. $900 gets you the body and a decent kit lens, so if you're impatient, it's got great capabilities for the price.
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Thank you for the advice! this is exactly why i opened this thread
 
Zack Finer said:
This isn't 4chan
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Their still watching...
 
i think it gets under peoples skin that this question is asked .. yes, it is taking longer than expected but it will be here ..

there is a ton of info on reduser .. it is scattered but it is there to prove Yes! there will be a scarlet .. grab a 7d beat the hell out of it .. practice on red cine with the m-x footage red has provided and you will be ready

just keep saving your cash if your a scarlet not an epic buyer you probably arnt rich like me ( ooops by that i mean im not rich either)

that gives you time to save and build credit to buy all the cool modules as they come out

patience, grasshoppa

another option to consider is to buy a used red 1 they will be cheaper after epic/scarlet but they are still amazing and they shoot 4 k
 
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Just found this, answered a lot of my questions. Hopefully it can round up this thread.

December '09 Update:

In April of '08 we stunned the world with the announcement of a 3K Scarlet, a camera with a fixed 8X T2.8 zoom lens, a 2/3" CMOS sensor and offering RAW 3K recording on a standard Compact Flash card. Scarlet was an industry changer, competing in quality with other 2/3" systems costing 20 times as much and more. The reaction to Scarlet, universally, was with dropped jaw, yet, as with all things, there were those that wished for something more, or something different. In the months following the announcement, RED's development team analyzed thousands of use case scenarios and we listened to the feedback from Scarletuser and those individuals that championed some features, while criticizing others. It became apparent that RED was designing a "Camera for the Age" and no one camera was going to satisfy everyone. Many loved the idea of a single all-in-one camera, the ideal B-Roll camera, the perfect personal cinema camera. Others wanted more flexibility, interchangeable lenses, more media options, and even more resolution. From the very beginning, RED has challenged convention, both in product and execution, and has always stated that "specifications and delivery dates are subject to change", a credo that has allowed us to be in constant motion and able to respond instantly to consumer wants.

So we looked at the requests, we looked at what we had learned in the development process and we decided that the approach had to be revolutionary, even by RED standards. It would mean pushing back the schedule. It would mean starting with a clean sheet of paper. It would mean taking on the largest camera project in history. This would not follow any previous program. This would not just be a motion camera, nor would it just be a still camera. It would target neither discipline exclusively. It would not be the industry cliché of a "hybrid", which never seems to excel at either task. It would be something entirely different. It would plot a new course for what a "camera" should be. And as the Scarlet Program progressed, it became evident that it should be integrated into the Epic Program. Both programs would share accessories, components and workflow. One System with almost infinite options. Multiple Personalities. It was in November of 2008 that we announced to the world the revised RED DSMC Program. It was revolutionary in concept, courageous in its undertaking and immense in its scope.

One year later, we are on task in offering the most sophisticated and capable imaging system the world has ever known. This is a status update on Scarlet and the DSMC Program as of December 2009. We have learned a great deal about the process of building a revolutionary camera system in the last year. We are humbled. We applaud our competitors and what they have achieved in their history. Technology is a fickle friend and no revolution comes easy. We set out to change the game and build the camera that we, as shooters and enthusiasts, always wanted. We broke rules, we asked for things that our engineers said were impossible, we demanded innovation. We have strived to build the perfect camera. By definition, it was a moving target; with each advance we realized that we could do something more, something new, and we couldn't stop the process. The feature set grew and the camera evolved into something much more than we had ever envisioned. Scarlet, in its original inception was a Pocket Professional camera. Today it is much more, able to sit alongside a RED One or EPIC on set, or stand alone. This is no camcorder, this is a Professional DSMC. Because, frankly, we just didn't know how to do it any other way. Good enough wasn't good enough. In every respect, when corners could be cut, we chose not to compromise. Compromise had been done before and, while adequate for many tasks, compromise can come back to bite you. Scarlet is a no apology effort. From LCD screen to Big Screen, Scarlet will never disappoint.

One of our valued forum members on REDUSER once wrote (and I have it pinned on my office wall), " Marketing is marketing is advertising is Lies. Everybody knows that". This update could be viewed as marketing fluff, as a pitch for what makes RED great, as much as it is a collection of facts about the program. I am sensitive to that. It is not my intention. I have worked in the photographic industry my whole life and have been blessed to work for companies that I believe in. I am an enthusiast first and if I gush or go on about something, I assure you, it is from the heart. To know me is to know that is true. Scarlet is the result of passion. From the design team to engineering to manufacture, everything that Scarlet is is a direct result of the design team saying, "this is what I want my camera to be. Committee didn't design Scarlet. A handful of purists, led by Jim's vision and genius, brought this camera concept to light. We are sinfully proud of it.



Scarlet Configurations.

The Scarlet family of cameras is wide ranging, offering a variety of capabilities suited to individual needs and price points. From a 2/3" cinema camera aimed at all video cameras on the market, at any price, to full featured DSMC cameras that are as much at home in the still world as they are in the cinema world. All four Scarlet Brains include (2) 3.5mm balanced / 48v. Phantom Power mic jacks, a 3.5mm stereo headphone jack, HDMI, RS422, a Video & shutter sync jack and Gigabit Ethernet. Scarlet's 4 brains are as follows:

Scarlet 3K 2/3" Fixed 8X T2.6 zoom lens - a physically larger Scarlet body to accommodate the internal fixed lens, this camera is a revolutionary update to the Scarlet announced at NAB '08. The 8X constant aperture f2.4 lens is an integral part of the body, designed as a single component with the brain and not removable. Full featured and designed to take on all video competition, Scarlet 2/3 8X can fly light and hand held or be integrated into any professional configuration by virtue of complete compatibility with all RED DSMC modules and accessories. Now offering data rates up to REDCODE 100, Scarlet 2/3" becomes significantly more capable in compression options and frame rates. Scarlet 2/3" Fixed will be sold as a kit that will include the Brain (sensor/body), 8X fixed zoom lens, Side CF Module, REDmote, 2.8" Touchscreen LCD, REDVOLT battery and Travel Charger. At the time of this writing it has not been decided what battery holding solution will be included (rest assured it will be). The projected pricing for this complete package, designed to be a fully functional "open n' go" camera is $4750. Estimated delivery: May-June 2010.

Scarlet 3K 2/3" Body Only - 2/3" Mysterium-X™ sensor, 120 fps (150 fps burst) - sharing specs with Scarlet Fixed 8X in a smaller body. Fully compatible with all RED DSMC accessories, the 2/3" camera outperforms cameras 20 times its price. Able to accept a wide range of lens mounts, including mini-RED Primes (Mini-PL), PL, Canon, Nikon and more. Depending on the interchangeable mount selected, the range of applications are endless. Because AF is built into every Scarlet and EPIC Brain, Scarlet 2/3" Interchangeable is fully compatible, with the appropriate mount, both Canon and Nikon AF systems. The decision as to whether to offer a mount of the customer's choosing or a standard Mini-PL is still open and largely a matter of retail logistics. (I'll keep you posted) This is the camera that many asked for when the fixed lens Scarlet 2/3" was announced. We listened and we designed it for those that asked. For $2750. Estimated delivery: May-June 2010.

Scarlet 5K S35 Body Only - Super 35, 30mm x 15mm, 5.4µm pixel pitch, 13.8MP Mysterium-X™ sensor. This is entry level into DSMC. An extraordinary camera that will revolutionize digital cinema, recording 5K resolution on a Mysterium-X™ sensor at data rates that are yet to be determined, likely REDCODE 100 or more, shooting at 1-30 fps at 5K, 4K, QuadHD and Full Frame 1080P, as well as high speed 1-72 fps at 2K, this $7K camera will be right at home on the feature film set, as well as change the concept of what a still camera can do. With burst rates up to 72 fps at full 13.8MP res, "capturing the moment" will never be the same again. Estimated delivery: Summer 2010.

Scarlet 6K FF35 Body Only - The Mysterium-X™ sensor program developed for Scarlet 2/3" and S35 has contributed much to the Mysterium Monstro™ sensor program and will translate to improved features and performance. Stay tuned for additional information.


Scarlet's Modular Design allows for an endless number of potential configurations . Choose the brain that best addresses the application, from 2/3" 3K to FF35 6K, then build your camera the way you want it.

Add a RED DSMC I/O Module for XLR inputs, Timecode, Sync, HD-SDI, Gigabit Ethernet and data ports, a RED DSMC Battery Module for uninterrupted recording, a REDhandle for ergonomics and power, a RED Shoulder mount, a BombEVF or LCD (every RED finder works with Scarlet), or any number of lens mounts and media modules; the list is endless. RED DSMC Modular system shares accessories between Scarlet and Epic, which will also be compatible with the majority of RED One accessories. RED development will continue to advance the capabilities of Scarlet, focusing on new and revolutionary technologies. Our commitment to 3D is huge and one of the driving forces behind Scarlet's and EPIC's design. Never again will you have to sell your camera to get the latest capabilities or features. At the heart of the Scarlet program's modularity is the ability to switch out any component part for upgraded, improved or optional future advance.
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Straight Shooter
RED Digital Cinema
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And the wheel keeps turning. Same questions, same conclusions. If only RED would take a few minutes and post some kind of update, whatever. But no we are in limbo and stay in limbo.
 
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