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Wildlife Lenses...400mm,600mm,800mm???

AlexJones

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Hey guys so I'm in the process of upgrading my long lens for wildlife work. I specialize in macro and long lens but getting more work in macro at the moment so keep this in mind while reading of course. Being a wildlife Filmmaker, primes are kind of out of the question since you really need to build a sequence with one lens during fast times but while still looking cinematic. I simply cannot afford a CN20 or 50-1000 as they're 50-70K each but I've been looking at stills glass and I have a dellema that made me write into a forum about what to do...

I've been looking at 3 lenses

Canon 100-400 MKII 4.5-5.6

Sigma 150-600 Sport 5-6.3

Sigma 300-800 5.6

The Canon is apparently extremely sharp and rivals some of their best prime long lenses. I have the original version and I do really like the versatility but problem is, the 400 focal length is what made me look into a linger lens upgrade in the first place but its like stupid sharp so that makes it really appealing and secondly the most appealing about it is the fact that it basically lets you get wide macro shots which would really help with my gigs. I could add a 1.4 extender but that would bring my f stop to f8 wide open while being less sharp than the sigma 150-600.

the Sigma 150-600 Sport is great I really liked how sharp it was when I rented it. tack sharp but a few issues, its a little heavy but I'm still able to carry around attached to my EPIC but while feeling a little worried about the lens breaking the connection even on rails... maybe thats me being overly cautious. The other thing is, the f stop goes to f22. Now for wildlife thats fine and I wont ever stop to that depth but I do like shooting landscapes on long lenses a lot and I'm used to stopping to f32 for dense sunset shots. The sky looks really pretty and nice when you have that versatility with exposure. last thing is, in order to use this lens properly, I need to get a matte box for it with shneider ND's since the front thread is too big (105mm) and thats a bit of a pain really it'll cost me an extra 2000 so the 2000 dollar lens will actually cost me 4K.

Lastly the 300-800 which I've never worked with but its 800 at 5.6 which is awesome. The lens weighs about the same as the 50-1000 about 13 pounds which I heard is a pain in the ass to carry for an assistant cameraman. The weight also might mean I need to go for a bigger tripod head and mine maxes out at 30 pounds already but I'm assuming once on, something will throw it off. Secondly, it has no Image stabilization. The lens is heavy which will help but slightly shaky wildlife shots are not acceptable anymore so I'm hoping that wont cause an issue. I don't know how sharp it is at all but for 8 thousand dollars it better god damn be sharp as crap! This lens coupled with the 100-400 seems like a best bet for me at the moment but if the 800 is shaky or not as sharp as the 600 then why not get the 150-600 but then I do macro so if the 100-400 helps then I should get that too but why would I spend all that money for a 100-400 and a 150-600 when all I'm ganging is 200mm? See the problem? Hope someone can give their thoughts.
 
As far as sharpness is concerned the 100-400 L IS II lens is better than the other options and also it has IS. It works well with the 1.4x TC.

Carrying heavy lenses is not easy. And if you are shooting in mountains then the winds cause a big problem. So, I carry OConnor fluid head and tripod which adds to the weight. I also have a Canon 400 f2.8 L IS USM lens which is 5.6kgs. The version II is lighter but I don't have it. I use the 400 f2.8 IS with 2xII TC and it works well. At times the 400 f2.8 IS can't be carried in the mountains, so the 100-400 helps in those situations. I also use the 100-400 when I am shooting from a boat. I hope the CN-E 50-1000 had IS and a lower price tag. :)
 
I bought the Canon 800mm, great lens, anything less seems undersized now. However it's heavy, hard to find objects and no wide shots as you mentioned. My next lens is the canon 200-400 with built in X1.4

My ideal set up is 2 cameras, 70-200, 200-400 and the 800
 
I am into wild life as well. Shooting epic dragon + nikon glass. Specialized in macro (build my own deep focus macro lenses), but also filming birds, etc. my travelset (next to deepfocus lenses) contains nikon 200 macro (the best ever), 17-35 nikon, 70-200 nikon + 1.7 converter and 150-600 sigma Sports+ 1.4 converter.
Tried Sigma " older" 300-800 but really hated it (very soft, bulky)! Considered nikon 200-400, but... Tested the sigma 150-600 + 1.4 teleconverter and decided to go for that. Very good lens! Cristalclear!
As for longer lenses... It is my experience that the lens is never long enough... :)
 
Is sigmas 150-600 superior to tamarons?
 
Sigma 150-600 is such an extremely popular classic choice (either the Sport or Contemporary version), I'd just go with that one!

But if I was to look at other options, it would be:

Sigma 50-500mm, as that an extremely ridiculous range! And sometimes being able to switch quickly from 500mm to a "wide" 50mm shot in an instance (without needing to change lens) could be very handy.

Nikon 200-500mm f5.6, this is a new lens which is only relevant if you're a Nikon shooter (which I am), but its low price / high quality / lightweight / constant F5.6 aperture / focal range / etc makes it a big game changer in the world of lenses! (& if you do stills as well, then this with a Nikon D500 is a no brainer combo to get!)
 
If you'll be pulling focus on these lenses, you might consider looking at the rehoused lenses from Century Optics (used). Here is a small selection of what's available: http://westcoastcinevideo.com/West_Coast_Cine_Video/Telephoto_&_Specialty_Lenses.html

The Century Series 2000 rehousing of the Canon FD 150-600mm T5.6 is classic and a great lens. Parfocal, PL mount, rear filter trays, proper lens support foot. I can also recommend the rehoused Canon FD 400mm T2.8 and the 800mm T4.5. Also, avoid using a matte box and front filters on focal lengths longer than 200mm, you'll get progressively softer images at longer focal lengths with front filters. Instead, use the rear filter trays built into the lens, usually either 40.5mm drop-in or 3x3. You should keep a clear filter in the rear slot when not using any ND, so as to maintain consistent backfocus.
 
Hi Alex,

I use the Canon 150-600. The image is lovely. But it has a vintage desaturated look to it. And as for weight...its just so heavy compared to the Sigma 150-600. So I'm actually looking to changing to that instead. Its just really nice. There is no filtertray though. So any filters will have to go up front. But I'm thinking that maybe you shoot quite a bit of slowmo, and therefore gain a few steps of light.
 
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