Wich zoom for RED

[Steve Gibby]

for the price of Cooke prime you can buy another Red!!! factor that into your budget/workflow.. of course then you need to buy another lens ehh.

Or just rent the lenses you need for the 2nd RED on a per project needs basis, until you generate enough capital to buy the lens or lenses you want for that RED. In fact, depending on your business model, you could approach your lens situation the same for both REDs.

I have a feeling that the RED lenses will have a very good price to performance ratio, thus I've reserved a RED 300mm prime and a RED 18-85mm zoom. I also suspect that RED will announce some more lenses soon (primes?). If they do announce primes, I think they'll be good quality and affordable. I'll also use some Nikkor lenses, and simply rent the other cine primes I need on a per project basis. My kits (I'll have 2 REDs) will only include equipment (including lenses) that I'll use regularly. All else will be rented on a per project basis.

 

[Akcelik]

hello Gibby!

yes. having an extra Red sounds more viable cause its cheaper to hire lens and think of the extra shots one can attain in the least amount of time.

for a wide lens one can make do with picture lens but for tele and normal primes where focus becomes more crucial i would hope to see Red give the aforementioned first priority.

 

[beatniq]

Perhaps. I'm not sure how it would stack up, but I think it could make a nice workhorse zoom lens. I guess general use doesn't really apply, but it should fit the bill for the times when you need a decent telephoto. I'll have to play with it and see -- I just grabbed one off ebay and will have to do some tests when I get it. It's an older lens model and it seems Nikon doesn't make it anymore as they've replaced it with a couple different 70-300 models ranging in price from about $600 MSRP to upwards of $3K for the same focal length depending on number of elements and whatnot. It's an older model I picked up and looks to be in good condition.

I look forward to the day when I can purchase lenses on a whim just to experiment with them and say, "....what the heck, let's see what happens when I plop this f*cker into RED..."

The B4 mount may not be a bad way to go. Are you doing ENG work now? What lens(es) do you currently use (if any)? You would probably do well with a 2/3" HD zoom like Gibby said.

It's probably more appropriately described as EFP work, but yes I am and anticipating more in the future. Perhaps my post was misleading, I have not had the priviledge of budgets which afford me the use a variety of lenses and the cameras that allow them, so I don't have much to offer in that department (unless you want me to discuss their specs and how good their pics look on my monitor). Generally, I work with cameras like the DVX. RED will be my first significant investment into my career and because of that, I'll need to put it to work right away to start paying it off. ENG/EFP work is the easiest and most immediate means I have at doing so, hence, that brings us full circle to my questions regarding lenses, etc.

 

[Stephen Williams]

for the price of Cooke prime you can buy another Red!!! factor that into your budget/workflow.. of course then you need to buy another lens ehh.

Hi,

It's normal in the film world for the cost of lenses to exceed the cost of the camera body in rental or purchase costs. A film camera is just a box that advances the film one frame at a time!

Stephen

 

[Steve Gibby]

It's normal in the film world for the cost of lenses to exceed the cost of the camera body in rental or purchase costs.

Very true...I think you raise a good point.

But in the RED world of digital cinema none of the RED lenses announced even approaches the cost of the RED One camera body kit:

Body kit = $17,500
RED 300mm prime = $4995
RED 17-85mm zoom = $9500
Other RED lenses (if announced) = probably priced well below the price of the RED One camera kit.

That's not to say that you can't put lenses on RED One that cost many times the cost of the RED One camera body. You obviously can, but you won't have to in order to get good results with RED One. Only occasionally will you find a professional digital cinema or pro EFP camera where the camera body is priced less than lenses it uses, and then it is usually a high-priced specialty lens, rather than a stock or normal lens for the camera. DC and pro EFP cameras are packed with electronics, which changes the ratio of the body value to the value of normal lenses used.

The digital world simply has different economies of scale and cost ratios than the film world.

 

[Roberto B]

yep.. but not when this box is a highly technologically evolved like RED (a digital camera not a simple light box) is..

 

[Steve Gibby]

That was the point of my post

 

[Roberto B]

yeah, gibby.. you beat me!

different people, same view, same idea.. same truth.

 

[Steve Gibby]

Some times I get 'em out fairly fast! Wish my typing worked as fast as my thoughts. I'm a "hunt and peck" typist - a severe handicap in a fast-paced online world of forums.

 

[Roberto B]

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[Stephen Williams]

yep.. but not when this box is a highly technologically evolved like RED (a digital camera not a simple light box) is..

Hi,

Only problem with a highly technologically box V a low tech box, the low tech box will remain state of the art for longer!

I know Red is upgradable however I think it unlikely (not impossible) that they will still be in use 80 years from today!

Stephen

 

[beatniq]

Hi,

Only problem with a highly technologically box V a low tech box, the low tech box will remain state of the art for longer!

I know Red is upgradable however I think it unlikely (not impossible) that they will still be in use 80 years from today!

Stephen

Come on. 80 years from now? Don't you watch the news?? That'll never happen.

 

[Roberto B]

but when the options are to offer an elitist tool for an elitist gang, i'd prefer a decent tool (= realistic = digital offer) instead a dream became a real industrial nightmare.. a real reason to avoid to shoot film..

 

[Akcelik]

i will tie the Red to the cord on a flag pole and raise it to the top, if a tsunami comes my way.

 

[Stephen Williams]

i will tie the Red to the cord on a flag pole and raise it to the top, if a tsunami comes my way.

Hi,

& I thought I was getting off topic!

Stephen

 

[Akcelik]

way out there dude..

 

[Scott Webster]

Some of you may find this chart useful for FOV comparison:

http://homepage.mac.com/kevinrita/.Public/Lens_angle.pdf

Kevin Riley is a respected NZ DOP who also runs www.cinestuff.co.nz

 

[samuel33]

've just seen a picture of the cook....it's hudge!
You think i can take the Red on my shoulder with this lens?
The nikkor seemes more easy to handle....but 17-35 isn't to short?
is there any other nikor with spec 17-55 or 70 with good quality?

 

[Sanjin Jukic]

A very good zoom lens for the future handheld shootings with the RED ONE.
Nikkor AF-S 24-120mm f/3.5-5.6G IF-ED VR

"VR - Vibration Reduction
This innovative VR system minimizes image blur caused by camera shake. It allows handheld shooting at dusk, at night, and even in poorly lit interiors. The lens’ VR system also detects automatically when the photographer(cinematographer) pans — no special mode is required."
Test review at
http://www.photozone.de/8Reviews/lenses/nikkor_24120_3556vr/index.htm

 

[Martin Drew]

Hi Sanjin

Might not be ideal on the RedOne. There won't be any power going to the lens so there will be no VR and I can't see an iris ring so I presume iris on this lens is not manual (please correct me if I am wrong).

I don't know this lens but another problem you sometimes find with lens designs where the front element telescopes in and out with the zoom is that the weight of the telescoping part can be enough to alter the zoom slightly when you point the camera down or up, not something you want to happen when you are shooting motion. Of course that may not affect this lens but it is something I would watch out for