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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

WHO has ever finished a video in more than 2K?

Stuart English said:
Not to go too off topic here, but Canon's own explanation of the C300 refutes that statement, there is no downsampling happing there, just pixel picking, and not to nitpick but 1080p isn't 2K. And re Sony, reading their less explicit technical explanations, I suspect it may be a similar non-debayer / non-downsample approach to create 4K.
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not shure i'm following you. Canon clearly states that it has a 8.3 MP Sensor that reads out every 4 Pixels RGBG to create 1 Pixel of the final image.
 
Daniel Kunz said:
not shure i'm following you. Canon clearly states that it has a 8.3 MP Sensor that reads out every 4 Pixels RGBG to create 1 Pixel of the final image.
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This is correct. It is essentially downsampling and I'm pretty sure this is why the Sony is using the 8K sensor for their 4K output.

Daniel - I get your argument. Most "consumers" have no clue what they are watching. When I go to my local cinema in Orange County to watch a movie I'm well aware that it's using a 4K Sony projector and I also know that the film I'm watching was finished in 2K or 4K. Sometimes I can't even tell the difference but that has to do with how the film was handled from start to finish. What I notice more than resolution is the grain, the latitude (dynamic range) and overall IQ of the image. If I were to ask the guy sitting in the row behind me if he was watching HD, Film, 2K or 4K, he would look at me like I was crazy. If I asked him if the movie was good or bad, I'm sure he could tell me the answer in 1 second.

The other problem is the delivery method of content outside of theaters. The majority of users on here are never going to have their material projected in theaters at 4K. However, a lot of content might end up on a cable channel. Unfortunately most cable companies, Dish, Direct TV, web streaming, etc. are still using 720p and 1080i(p). If you are working on a TV show there is no reason to go beyond 1080p unless you want to future proof and expect your reruns to air in several years at 4K. However I just don't see shows doing this. Everyone is shooting on Alexa in tv now.

4K is coming (or here already for some applications), Red is right about that. It's here and now for feature films. If I wanted the highest quality feature I would select 35mm film scanned to 4K or a 4K digital camera. If it were a smaller indy film with less budget and not a 100% guarantee of going to the theater than something under 4K might be the way to go. Hurt Locker grabbed some Oscars and it was 16mm. Again - Content over Tech Specs wins every time.

3-4 years aways? I think so. Most homes will not have anything more than 1080p for a while. When the 4K tv's start showing up at Best Buy for $2000, we will start seeing the demand for 4K everything but someone better let the cable companies know that we need more bandwidth and better compression.
 
I need material from this camera to understand wich procedure is better for me, take at 4k and downgrade in post to 1080p or take directly in 1080p, light to work with.....

Bah..., the best way can be sharing footage at 5k, 4k, 3k and 2k to see the quality, maybe I'm incompetent but why we must wait from another user to become some test or material when normally must shared from Red team???
Pls share some clips coming out from Scarlet and if is the same as Epic share Epic footage at different resolution, hope this is not a complicated request.
This is only the method i know to evaluate this product and take a decision for my workflow.
 
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Daniel Kunz said:
not shure i'm following you. Canon clearly states that it has a 8.3 MP Sensor that reads out every 4 Pixels RGBG to create 1 Pixel of the final image.
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Downsampling implies debayering a 4k image and then filtering it down to a 1080p image. Binning is like the Viper or Genesis which has multiple colors per pixel but doesn't debayer.
 
Jannard said:
It doesn't matter what you have done... it matters what you can do next.

Jim
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THAT is my life motto. Nailed it right there Jim.

Mike
 
I have a technical question: If the camera outputs a 10-bit 1080p signal out of the HD-SDI, does this mean we can shoot and record using a 5K setting, thus taking advantage of a smaller crop factor? This would mean that, whilst the camera can shoot features very nicely indeed at 4K, it would also enable us to turn around a job fast on ProRes 422 (HQ) using a Atomos Samurai, for example. Anyone would like to comment? Thank you.
 
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