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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Which Monitor

TheThe said:
Do you know if the JVC is good enough for color grading?
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Wow, loaded question. No LCD is good enough for color grading!

With that out of the way, I have done a lot of testing and I would say in the sub 5K arena the JVC is the best. In the 5 - 10K arena, TV Logic is the best. After that you might as well wait for eCinema's DPX monitor which does a true black (but VERY expensive) or the upcoming OLED or similar technologies.

Whatever you do, don't get suckered into Sony's BVM series as they are a ripoff.

my 02. cents worth
 
PS: No matter how good an LCD looks, as soon as you get a little off axis, your picture shifts. So what you started on in the AM while you were sitting straight and tall won't match what you finished on in the PM. And don't even ask about what the client is seeing from off the side a bit because it isn't what you are seeing.

PS: Only trust your scopes!
 
TCurren said:
I have done a lot of testing and I would say in the sub 5K arena the JVC is the best. In the 5 - 10K arena, TV Logic is the best. After that you might as well wait for eCinema's DPX monitor which does a true black (but VERY expensive) or the upcoming OLED or similar technologies.

Whatever you do, don't get suckered into Sony's BVM series as they are a ripoff.

my 02. cents worth
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Thanks for the rankings. I love posts like these. I wasn't even aware of the future existence of the eCinema's DPX monitor (one more thing to go google-crazy over). So it will have True blacks. I'd love to see that in action.

By the way, sometimes I wonder how exaggerated the need is for an absolute rock-solid reference monitor. At the expense of convenience, isn't it possible to use a really good LCD's limited range in conjunction with scopes to color grade? I mean the only real draw back of LCD is the blacks, right? That you can set with a scope. As far as the tinting and color distribution of your shots, can't properly calibrated LCD get close enough?
 
One thing one might want at this time (if you - like me - don't need a monitor now) is to wait for NAB.

I see and understand the "No LCD is good enough" argument, but as far as you're NOT primarely delivering to the big screen, I have a slight problem with that argument, as what your material eventually most likely will be screened on is LCDs and Plasmas. I haven't (yet, but I'm open...) heard a real compelling argument for why say an interlaced 1080 CRT shoukld be a better alternative for screening 1080p/2kp footage.

I use - for now - Panny's 17" "STudio LCD" and like it a lot.

I wil definitely check the JVC and TV-Logic, AND I'd love red or others to come out with a studio reference solution (be it 4k or whatever) that makes the others bite the dust. But... Still...

Gunleik
 
Hamlet said:
What do you guys think about the EIZO ColorEdge CG241W? http://www.eizo.com/products/graphics/cg241w/index.asp

Specs: 1920 x 1200, 12-bit LUT and 16-bit internal processing, hardware calibration, digital scanning frequency is 47.5 - 63 Hz (so no jitter with 24p/25p), wide gamut 96% Adobe RGB, input 2x DVI-I, $2.350

EIZO is also launching a 30'' version: http://www.eizo.com/press/releases/pdf/CG301W_pr.pdf
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I've got the above mentioned EIZO ColorEdge 24 and like it a lot. Deep blacks (for a LCD) and one can calibrate it. No jitter at 25p. We use it together with a Sony VPL100 for grading. Not a class1 monitor but a great alternative on budget.

There is a new player in the high-end monitor business: www.quato.com
They seem graet value for money.

Has anyone tested one of these?

Hans
 
Thanks for answering Hans.

As to Quato, I had a quick look at the Intelli Proof 260 motion in a shop and it had a very high image quality, but couldn't test it (they played demo footage on it) - so not much help from here. The Quato has 30 bit external color output.
 
The Eizio is a nice monitor but NEC have a pro color critical line at nearly half the price:

24" Normal gamut $1100
http://www.necdisplay.com/Products/Product/?product=a46240bd-a846-4de7-b644-bd7f0b7e6ece

26" Wide gamut $1300
http://www.necdisplay.com/Products/Product/?product=1713e080-c8e3-4aab-9447-73dacb301b84

The NEC's and Eizo's are H-IPS panels so you dont get the color shift when looking at slightly different angles. Also the NEC feature uniform backlighting making them a very temptign low budget option.

I did want to ask here - the difference in normal and wide gamut. Normal displays around 75% NTSC color space while the wide displays around 96%.

I’ve read that with LCD technology, gamut is mainly the result of the backlighting used, so in consumer LCD HDTV's, DLP's, Plasmas etc...what is the norm? Are they normal gamut or wide gamut?

Anyone know?
 
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