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what setup would you buy with 10 G?

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If you have $10,000 to invest in a RED Scarlet, how will you set it up? (According to recent module prices) How will you spend your money?

I'm planning to use it from small commercials to indie filmmaking. My edit workflow consists in a Quad-Core Mac Pro, with FinalCut Studio 3. I have never edited R3D files before. What will be your recommendation? Thanks!
 
You might be able to squeeze a s35 package into that budget (especially if you had your own 35mm lenses already, like some Nikon or Canon glass), but I think the best bet is a Fixed Scarlet (2/3"). It should have have the best feature and image quality to price ratio out of pretty much any camera available... Even though I have more than 10K to spend, I'm still going with the Fixed since there are a lot of other important things like a mattebox, camera support, audio gear, and so on that I might need.
 
Fixed scarlet: 4750$
+ media (cf cards, maybe an used RED Drive for more general(non high fps) shooting)
+ wide-angle adapter
+ extra batteries
 
$4750 -- Fixed Scarlet
$1250 -- Battery module
$1000 -- Extra batteries (est. based on R1-prices)
$300 --- Module adapter
$1400 -- CF Cards (4 x 16 GB)
$1250 -- Shouldermount (est. based on R1-prices)
 
The fixed lens Scarlet makes the most sense here. But I guess it would be best to wait for the cameras to arrive before jumping in. There's also a decent argument for the 2/3" Scarlet with a set of mini-primes. But that fixed-lens model just looks too good to pass up, IMO.
 
I think an interchangeable with a 25mm lens, CF cards (2), battery module, smallest LCD, redmote, and CF module will get me shooting - did I leave out anything major?
I already have mics, lights and I guess I need a better tripod...
I think I can squeeze all that in around $8500-$9000

this will be my second feature - plan to shoot in Summer
 
actually I think 25mm would be telephoto on the 2/3".

I think the "standard" lens is supposed to be something like this

ff35 - 50mm
16mm film - 25mm
2/3" - somewhere around 15-17 I think

sensor-size-chart-web2.jpg


They are showing super 16mm here I believe but you get my point
 
Hmmm... Not sure why anyone would want to settle for a single focal length lenss in their kit -- buy a zoom. Peter is right, a 25mm is a bit long on a 2/3" sensor. It provides a similar FOV to about a 95mm on FF35 or about a 58mm on RED One 4K. Or close to that, I'm just pulling some numbers in my head.

Another thing to consider is just what will you be shooting with this $10K camera package? Is it truly worth owning it? $10K will buy a lot of rental time on a decent Scarlet 2/3" kit. Maybe you could rent an S35 kit for an upcoming production rather than buying a 2/3" kit that doesn't have all the glass you need. I would also buy the 8x model any day over a brain with only one or two primes if I had to choose.

OK, putting on my pedantic psycho geek hat for a moment... That graphic above is a bit off -- it's showing S35 as smaller than the RED One. However RED One 4K is actually smaller than S35. 4.5K is really close in terms of width, but is also 2.35:1. Mysterium-X 5K is larger than S35 by a bit. Looks to me like they're comparing the full 4520x2540 sensor dimensions and not the actual recorded dimensions.

S35 1.85:1 is 24.89mm x 13.45

RED One 4K is 22.12mm x 12.44mm and the sensor is 24.4 x 13.7
RED One 4.5K is 24.19mm wide

M-X 5K should be 27.64mm x 13.82mm and the sensor is 30x15.
 
that is shallow and pedantic.

I'm in about the same boat budget-wise. No question about it-going with the fixed scarlet, and whatever i have left will go towards building up gear and accessories like audio/lighting etc.

right now i'm thinking specifically about the russian-made oktava MK012 microphone, a couple source four PARs for lighting, and of course things like stands, booms, decent tripod, etc.

also hopefully the SSD module, media-wise... and other various adapters and modules and whatnot.

i really like the looks of that Gunner rig too...

that's what I'm thinking of doing, and that may come in under 10k (hopefully) and as it happens that's also what I'd recommend.
 
If you can only spend 10,000 then get the 2/3 fixed. That would by far be the most bang for the buck. The advantage of getting the interchangeable scarlet is to have more options. But if you don't have to money to purchase an entire set of primes or at least a few primes and a zoom, you would end up with less options then the fixed would give you and it would cost more.

Especially if you're going to be shooting a feature. Shooting a feature with only one prime lens takes an incredible amount of talent to pull off effectively and really should only be done for artistic purposes. Doing it for financial reasons would be the wrong choice because the fixed scarlet is available.
 
Jeff Kilgroe said:
Hmmm...
OK, putting on my pedantic psycho geek hat for a moment... That graphic above is a bit off --
Click to expand...

I made this tonight, posted it in the imax thread but i'll throw it in here too

comparison.jpg


I think this should all be accurate
 
Peter, that alternating red / blue makes my eyes hurt. :P

For Mysterium and Mysterium-X you are using sensor sizes and not recordable image sizes. Two different things there. The Mysterium sensor at 24.4 x 13.7 is also including the non-recorded look-around area. Same with Mysterium-X. We haven't been given the final specifications, but 5K should be 5120 pixels across. And that equates to 27.64mm wide and not the full 30mm sensor width.
 
It just seems like if I buy the fixed I'm stuck with 1 lens - no options other than a wide or telephoto adapter.
I don't have enough to buy more than 2 mini primes but I also have no problem getting a fixed if my DP is ok with the 8x zoom
My last feature was shot on a XL2 and we had the defualt and the wide lens. We never felt we needed anything more (I shoot comedies so we dont need tons of extra gear/lens)
 
my budget says go fixed, but my preference is to use primes when possible... yet i'm going to need a zoom for work-related projects (industrial videos etc.). it's really a bummer there aren't any options from the stills world (crop factor) to put together a 2/3 cinema with a few mini-primes AND a budget stills zoom for a do-it-all scarlet. having said that, there do seem to be (thanks to the great info on RU) a few older S16 zoom options out there that aren't too far out of my price range, provided you can find a well-kept one. sigh :mellow:
 
$4750 -- Fixed Scarlet
$1250 -- Battery module
$1000 -- Extra batteries (est. based on R1-prices)
$300 --- Module adapter
$1400 -- CF Cards (4 x 16 GB)
$1250 -- Shouldermount (est. based on R1-prices)
Click to expand...

+1

i just hope its out by may.


8x fixed is easily the best value.

Close second for people who are currently on a limited budget and dont want to be limited by a fixed lens:

Buy the 2/3 Cinema, and get a single zoom lens. That will be the only lens you own.

Then, when need presents itself, rent super16 glass. super16 glass rents for cheap. That way you have a solid, all-purpose camera with a zoom lens without being limited to it.
 
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The only good thing about it coming out in early summer is the fact that I'll need that long to decide between the fixed and cinema.
If my budget is only around $8000 I might be better off gettin' the fixed and a bunch of accessories but owning a Cinema gives me better piece of mind for the future when I can buy/rent other glass or all the mini primes.
Tough Decision
 
Cdeuringer said:
If you have $10,000 to invest in a RED Scarlet, how will you set it up? (According to recent module prices) How will you spend your money?

I'm planning to use it from small commercials to indie filmmaking. My edit workflow consists in a Quad-Core Mac Pro, with FinalCut Studio 3. I have never edited R3D files before. What will be your recommendation? Thanks!
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If you've got $10K to spend on just the camera, I'd probably try to go for the S35 Scarlet with Nikon lenses:

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=37029

It may bump your price up to $11K or so, but it's doable if you can live with the bare-bones shooting package.
 
Jesper Sichlau said:
$4750 -- Fixed Scarlet
$1250 -- Battery module
$1000 -- Extra batteries (est. based on R1-prices)
$300 --- Module adapter
$1400 -- CF Cards (4 x 16 GB)
$1250 -- Shouldermount (est. based on R1-prices)
Click to expand...

I notice a lot of people choosing the CF cards over the Red Drive. Can't you fit a lot more footage on the drive at a lower price than 4 cards? are there reliability issues with the drive?
 
I think I wanna go the Red-Drive route
4 CF cards plus the module is quite a bit of money
Also I would love to get an S35 but I don't think it'll be out in May - so Scarlet it is!
 
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