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WHAT?? no viewfinder and lcd at the same time on the Epic?

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So, is it true that there is only one output connector for either viewfinder or LCD, but not both?

On the Red One the operator can frame through the viewfinder while the assistant looks at the lcd.
Am I supposed to do everything by myself, framing and focus pulling?
or are we supposed to go back and forth with a tape roll and sending our lenses to germany for collimation every week because of this missing feature?
With the Red One, we simply magnify with the touch of a button on the display (or the viewfinder, or any) and focus with 100% accuracy and bypassing possible focus extimation errors.

On the Epic, since I've heard there is at least HD-SDI output, have I to buy a Marshall monitor and always bring a kid with me who'd take care of charging and changing the third party monitor's tiny batteries? I'm afraid of using the small HD which obviously isn't electrically compatible with red's auxiliary power connectors since it died in october for the second time and in the same way, after a repair or substitution. It was brand new when it died the first time - it died after I think 1 day shooting - and probably brand new was also the second example we were given.

I can't believe Red made only 1 video output for the camera crew while the Red One that is 4 years old has 2.
I'm I missing something or you really didn't understant the importance of being able to have both viewfinder AND lcd on the camera?

I guess the same thing apply to Scarlet.

Thanks.
 
pro i/o module.
but i agree to a certain degree. i dont need the hdmi port.
never used it on the one, and never used it on the epic.
one small module, really really thin, can be an answer.
 
I agree. It seems like a bad design choice to me. I suppose there are lots of issues at work and they had to make choices but I would definitely like to be able to have my BOMB and my Touch working at the same time. Or at least a ship date for the PRO IO.
 
what's this pro i/o?
I have never heard about it. Where can I read about that?

The problem is that we are asked to put the deposit for the 2 Epics that we order and we don't know what do to. There is no information about the products.
 
Why is there no info on any of this, or is it just buried in miles of banter
 
Here's an image of the Pro I/O, the better (proper?) way to run audio with the Epic. Last posted mentioned a January delivery schedule, but that was a LONG time ago. Needs to be updated by someone at RED. Also the price shown was $2,950.00, no idea if that is still valid or not.
 
I agree, it is totally ridiculous to not be able to run the the EVF at the same time as the LCD, this is an absolute basic requirement or at least ship a module that services these basic needs
 
It's a huge hole. . . no doubt about that.

Stephen
 
MIKE TESTIN said:
Why is there no info on any of this, or is it just buried in miles of banter
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Agree... caught me by surprise when my Epic arrived. Yeah, you can tell from the pictures there's only one connector for EVF/LCD - but I wasn't looking for illogical omissions. Honestly, feeling like I'm just sitting on a bunch of expensive hardware until the rest of the accessories and modules become available.
 
Guys,

I guess you guys been missing lots of news. Someone has mentioned about this when Ted shown it first time to public. I've seen it when Ted brought Epic to my country. And no doubt about it, that we have to choose either to use Bomb or LCD, and the other monitor from SDI or HDMI.

Cheers,
d.p
 
Plug your BombEVF into RED port and your third party monitor into SDI, you have your desired setup that you can absolutely work with until Pro I/O comes out.

It is not the perfect design choice, but I'm sure the've had reasons for it and I don't see a huge problem here
 
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Alberto Caprioglio said:
So, is it true that there is only one output connector for either viewfinder or LCD, but not both?
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Yes it's very annoying, but luckily the cameras 98 other best points makes up for the 2 only bad points. So Im still very happy with it.
And one of them will hopefully be resolved over the next week or so...

You will find that the 5inch touch will be put to the side alot and replaced with a small TV logic HD monitor giving you both Video feeds.

works for us. :)
 
EPIC

EPIC

You will find that the 5inch touch will be put to the side alot and replaced with a small TV logic HD monitor giving you both Video feeds.
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..and from that 7" TV logic monitor your can loop out the HD-SDI output to a bigger monitor for Director preview,etc..right Mark...

Harcharan
 
I often recomend dropping the Touch Screen, when asked for advice.

TV-logic or small HD

Weird choice, but by now we only have to relate to it.
Also the connector of the bomb/LCD pointing out in the front is kinda strange, but it used to be at a better place (pointing backwards) and was moved for the final design.
My guess is that the choice is stereo-rig related...
 
Alberto Caprioglio said:
So, is it true that there is only one output connector for either viewfinder or LCD, but not both?

On the Red One the operator can frame through the viewfinder while the assistant looks at the lcd.
Am I supposed to do everything by myself, framing and focus pulling?
or are we supposed to go back and forth with a tape roll and sending our lenses to germany for collimation every week because of this missing feature?
With the Red One, we simply magnify with the touch of a button on the display (or the viewfinder, or any) and focus with 100% accuracy and bypassing possible focus extimation errors.

On the Epic, since I've heard there is at least HD-SDI output, have I to buy a Marshall monitor and always bring a kid with me who'd take care of charging and changing the third party monitor's tiny batteries? I'm afraid of using the small HD which obviously isn't electrically compatible with red's auxiliary power connectors since it died in october for the second time and in the same way, after a repair or substitution. It was brand new when it died the first time - it died after I think 1 day shooting - and probably brand new was also the second example we were given.

I can't believe Red made only 1 video output for the camera crew while the Red One that is 4 years old has 2.
I'm I missing something or you really didn't understant the importance of being able to have both viewfinder AND lcd on the camera?

I guess the same thing apply to Scarlet.

Thanks.
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Yes Alberto,

no RED EVF plus RED Touch Screen at the same time, without the I/O module soon to come.

We use the SmallHD when using the EVF, so that the Focus Puller can view it, attached to the HD-SDI offers a very sharp and detail image,
in fact I must say that it is easier to Focus on the SmallHD 5.6" then on the RED Touch Screen.
 
KETCH ROSSi said:
in fact I must say that it is easier to Focus on the SmallHD 5.6" then on the RED Touch Screen.
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That is not strange. The small HD has higher resolution and a better screen-surface + a lot of AC directed features.

The touch screen is more of a navigational unit, compared.
(That said. I will use it a lot when on my own, but in larger-crew setups, it isn't the best choice allways...)
 
Unless we can turn red lcd to evf with some diopter. I think it can be done. Like how smallhd turn their 4 inch lcd into evf

Rivai
 
I don't mind not having two video feeds on the brain itself, because if I want to make the rig as lightweight as possible, then something has to give. I'll be adding the Pro I/0 anyway, knew that I would, so hopefully it will add another video port along with the full sized XLRs.

As Stephen Wright said, "You can't have everything, where would you put it?" Well actually you can have everything, it just bolts onto the rear. It will be funny sometime down the road, to see who puts together the longest Epic body. Short, long, and anything in-between. I think they made the right choice.
 
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