What is the best way to work with 4K data?

[Gokhan Goktug]

Dear all;

I have 4k captured footage. I would like to apply color correction and print it. What is the best way of doing it? What shoul I use for editing and color corrections? RedCine? Scratch? any other software? Can any one give me a step by step instruction how to do it?

Thank you very much for your help in advance.

GG

 

[Uli Plank]

Sorry, my friend, but what about some reading in the RED workflow subforums first? There have been heaps of answers around here!

 

[Dan Hudgins]

RED ONE 4K workflow...

RED ONE 4K workflow...

You can read the link below for one "freeish" option... You can download the programs required and edit MOS tonight maybe?

 

[Gokhan Goktug]

Sorry, my friend, but what about some reading in the RED workflow subforums first? There have been heaps of answers around here!

Hey Uli,

Be a little constructive, ant try to help. If you dont want to do not show your German Arrogance. I have searched for it and could not find much. I have no idea about this subject just trying hard to learn it. Please, be nice.

 

[Adam Glick]

Gokhan,

There are obviously a wide range of options.

The type of project you have will dictate the approach you can take.

If this is a personal project -or is not "time sensitive", you can probably do a fine job using the free tools that are out there.

If this is for a paying client and you need to deliver within good time, then you might consider some of the "higher-end" tools that can help to speed up the processing and editorial workflows.

There are also facilities you can pay to process the camera clips into industry-standard "video" or media files (DPX, QT, DNxHD, etc) that you can use to "finish" using standard tools of the trade.

Can you share more details about your project?

timeframe? Budget? Editorial application(s) you already have and might like to use?

The answers to these questions will inform as to some of the more appropriate workflow options you might consider.

 

[Gokhan Goktug]

Thank you for reply.

We are shooting a movie. We wanted just to see and watch 10 minute shooting in cinema. We built a Mac system with FinalCut. But, we learned that it could only do 2K editing and color correction. We would like to work on 4K data coming from RedOne camera purchased in December.


We did a 10 min recording but we are not able to produce anything with it. We cannot edit, we can perform color correction and save it in a professional format that we can print.

We are not really looking for free anything but we want to find a best solution to edit 4K data and apply color correction to print. We are looking for best option. It will be real movie in rather smaller scale customer domain.

Regards

Gokhan
ggoktug@alum.mit.edu

PS: we may even outsource the final version.

Gokhan,

There are obviously a wide range of options.

The type of project you have will dictate the approach you can take.

If this is a personal project -or is not "time sensitive", you can probably do a fine job using the free tools that are out there.

If this is for a paying client and you need to deliver within good time, then you might consider some of the "higher-end" tools that can help to speed up the processing and editorial workflows.

There are also facilities you can pay to process the camera clips into industry-standard "video" or media files (DPX, QT, DNxHD, etc) that you can use to "finish" using standard tools of the trade.

Can you share more details about your project?

timeframe? Budget? Editorial application(s) you already have and might like to use?

The answers to these questions will inform as to some of the more appropriate workflow options you might consider.

 

[Uli Plank]

Hi Gokhan,

if you look around here, you'll find that I always try to be helpful. But you asked in such a general way, that it's hard to give any meaningful answer, and I found that a bit lazy. If this is "German arrogance" please accept my excuses. But I suppose (hope?) some non-Germans would feel that way too.

After you gave some information about your project, I can try to help. First thing to know is: There is no single best way to work with RED footage in post.

Even on the platform that you wanted to work with you'll find at least three options, have a look at this:

http://reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=25410

Plus, there are many more on other platforms.

Next, there's not too much sense in working in 4K:

- The RED can't resolve 4K, due to it using a Bayer pattern it is delivering around 3.2 K
- Very few movies are finished in 4K as of today, it's quite expensive
- Most big feature projects are still using a DI in 2K

So, there's nothing wrong with using your Mac. IMHO, among the more affordable software solutions it's one of the best at this time, even if it has some quirks (like gamma problems).

If you desperately want 4K, Scratch is a good solution. But if you want great quality at a very decent price-point and have some idea about working with Color, the solutions I laid out in my diagram are not so bad. Feel free to ask further questions about them.

 

[Dan Hudgins]

Don't want free anything?

Don't want free anything?

We are not really looking for free anything but we want to find a best solution to edit 4K data and apply color correction to print. We are looking for best option.

Please tell us what you mean by "Best".

My system uses 48bpp TIF which is beond the point at which you can see any difference, in other words it is as good (in the tangible sense) as ANY system can produce with regard to frame resolution, uncompressed 4K or higher.

Also why don't you want free/freeish software?

If you had looked at the link you could have edited and color corrected your stuff at no cost and output TIF frames to send to a lab to film out or set up a 35mm animation camera and use my other program to filmout yourself. You could be done in a few days at little or no cost. Why would you not want to see your RED ONE footage finished soon?

 

[Uli Plank]

Maybe this new thread is giving some help too:

http://reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?p=367328#post367328

 

[Christopher Grant Harvey]

Adobe Premiere working with CineForm RAW will allow you to work in realtime with 4K, and move it to AE if you want.