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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

what does sony, panasonic say about red!!

Panavision are not in "denial" about the red - I've spoken to them about it - they're curious but cautious - which is sensible - they simply wont invest in a camera that is not market proven. Dependability is the most vital thing for them and they will, no doubt, adopt the Red camera when it hits the market and has undergone some independent and rigorous testing. Then they will, no doubt, get involved.

And I think Panavision will be dubious about renting lenses to people that they are unfamiliar with - you would need a camera assistant who is familiar and trusted by them before they let a set of primos out the door.
 
I know that recent Red announcements have certainly changed the scope of our recent camera purchase discussions. Up until recently, the mission was to buy a varicam, and it was a case of how and when. (the sony offerings were really quite underwhelming for the money) Now, we are holding back on any purchase decision pending red developments and release.
 
projectsplat said:
I know that recent Red announcements have certainly changed the scope of our recent camera purchase discussions. Up until recently, the mission was to buy a varicam, and it was a case of how and when. (the sony offerings were really quite underwhelming for the money) Now, we are holding back on any purchase decision pending red developments and release.
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If nothing else, the RedOne with its advertized specs has put a wrench in the works of the mundane, traditional and dogmatic mindset that permeates decision making as it relates to the purchase, acquisition and stocking of film/video cameras and workflow in general.
 
Further info on the Sony F23 from Studio Daily:
http://www.studiodaily.com/main/news/headlines/7484.html

Reading between the lines you're looking at somewhere between US150-200K which I believe is comparable with a Viper/SRW-1 Combo purchase.

Quote:
'Willox also announced that Sony intends to build an entire pipeline of affordable 4K equipment for production, post and exhibition, although there was no hard time frame. This big news was somewhat downplayed by Willox, who called it “a design goal.”

“We’re going down the path to change imager technology, to take a quantum leap in signal processing,” he said. “There is no time frame, and nothing will be shown at NAB ’07. We expect that you’ll first see something in late 2008 or early 2009.”'

Based on the above, I'm not sure their definition of affordable and mine, are the same.
 
very interesting, I also have heard about this technology from Japan but I'm sure it is many years away.


8K Television System “Ultra High-Definition TV”

Ultra High-Definition TV (Ultrahigh-Definition Wide-Screen System with 4000 Scanning Lines) is the technology developed by NHK Science & Technical Research Laboratories that delivers the images so real that viewers feel as if they were actually at the site of the broadcast and find themselves attempting to touch what’s on the screen. The large, wide-screen video images with the resolution equivalent to that of gravure printing strike viewers as a fresh surprise. The cutting-edge technology captures the attention of the international community.
Features of Ultra High-Definition TV
- The system uses a video format with 7680 x 4320 pixels (16 times higher than standard Hi-vision, NHK’s HDTV system) . This world’s first video system with 4000 scanning lines delivers ultra-clear, realistic three-dimensional images that can be achieved only by ultrahigh-definition technology.
- The individual scanning lines are not visually noticeable even when relatively close to the screen, reflecting the high resolution of the system. What’s more, a wider viewing angle conveys a stronger sense of a reality.
- The new 3-D audio system with 24 loudspeakers dramatically enhances presence.
 
This was shown at NAB last year. IMO although very clear it wasn't what you would call aesthetically pleasing, more 'Ultra Video'. There was also terrible smear or ghosting in the moving images of the soccer game shown. Similar to a LCD TV showing sport. As for the 3D audio system that was just loud and was detrimental to images rather than enhancing the experience.
 
Rocketeer said:
Further info on the Sony F23 from Studio Daily:
http://www.studiodaily.com/main/news/headlines/7484.html

Reading between the lines you're looking at somewhere between US150-200K which I believe is comparable with a Viper/SRW-1 Combo purchase.

Quote:
'Willox also announced that Sony intends to build an entire pipeline of affordable 4K equipment for production, post and exhibition, although there was no hard time frame. This big news was somewhat downplayed by Willox, who called it “a design goal.”

“We’re going down the path to change imager technology, to take a quantum leap in signal processing,” he said. “There is no time frame, and nothing will be shown at NAB ’07. We expect that you’ll first see something in late 2008 or early 2009.”'

Based on the above, I'm not sure their definition of affordable and mine, are the same.
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Edited to reflect the price as posted on CML. Bandpro are indicating US150-175K. Yet to be confirmed. No listing on the Sony Broadcast site as yet.
 
The NHK 8k stuff is amazing. But in the wrong way. It's amazingly high resolution, but it also shows that resolution is nothing without art.

The aesthetic of the 8k footage shows a purebred video heritage, with over-agressive edge enhancment (yuck) and low dynamic range (very contrasty and blown highlights). To me it looked like ultra-high quality, high resolution VHS. It's not my aesthetic, and almost the antithesis of what RED is about, which is: resolution + aesthetic = RED. There's no point to resolution if the image processing is so bad it makes the picture unwatchably bad.

Also, I saw a 4k uncompressed downconvert at IBC of the 8k footage, and it showed some severe aliassing and attrocious bayer reconstruction artifacts. Ouch.

Graeme
 
If NHK's R&D ( STRL ) helps SONY on just 4K sensors which I think it will be a name " Soony " But not like now " SOON ONLY NOT YET ".

Sometimes, the labs under National TV Station are too aggressive on technical data.

Again, very interesting in Japanese products that 4K projector without 4K camera and 8K Camera without 8K Projector !!!

Stewart
 
Graeme Nattress said:
The NHK 8k stuff is amazing. But in the wrong way. It's amazingly high resolution, but it also shows that resolution is nothing without art.

The aesthetic of the 8k footage shows a purebred video heritage, with over-agressive edge enhancment (yuck) and low dynamic range (very contrasty and blown highlights). To me it looked like ultra-high quality, high resolution VHS. It's not my aesthetic, and almost the antithesis of what RED is about, which is: resolution + aesthetic = RED. There's no point to resolution if the image processing is so bad it makes the picture unwatchably bad.

Also, I saw a 4k uncompressed downconvert at IBC of the 8k footage, and it showed some severe aliassing and attrocious bayer reconstruction artifacts. Ouch.

Graeme
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Graeme, your bluntness is so infectious I can help laughing out loud.
 
I'm telling you what I'd tell anyone from NHK: 1million points for resolution, but minus 1 billion points for oversharping and clipped highlights.

Graeme
 
jtm said:
And I think Panavision will be dubious about renting lenses to people that they are unfamiliar with - you would need a camera assistant who is familiar and trusted by them before they let a set of primos out the door.
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Not true, all you need is (alot of) insurance and a check!
 
Dominic Cochran said:
Not true, all you need is (a lot of) insurance and a check!
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Unfortunately Dominic, you're a little in the dark there. Panavision, in my experience, are reluctant to send gear out with technicians they are unfamiliar with - particularly high value items (perhaps its a little different with an old beat up s16 camera and 10-1 zoom - who knows?)
 
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