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What does Red One have that Scarlet doesn't?

Luis Ortiz

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Now that Scarlet is better and cheaper than Red One, are there any good reasons to buy a Red One?
 
Uh...compare the specifications for RED One and Scarlet and your question will be easily answered. RED One has a lot of features and capability that Scarlet won't.

Link: http://205.234.135.241/forum/showthread.php?t=22052

Different tools, both very capable, but still different..
 
I can't afford to upgrade to an Epic at this time. Hopefully the sensor upgrade price is within my reach.
 
Your R1 already comes with a PL mount, you probably installed a CF module, it has an audio board, and the entire monitoring module on the back, several recording formats and its as tough as nails... (I,m sure there is more)
 
R1 also have 120 fps, 4 channel sound, timecode, SDI video, drive connector, Ramping, timelapse, aluminum body, .. etc
 
JanneSFE said:
R1 also have 120 fps, 4 channel sound, timecode, SDI video, drive connector, Ramping, timelapse, aluminum body, .. etc
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Everyone keeps saying that the RED One will still be a superior camera, but I don't really see how it is. From my understanding the 120 fps is in 2K shooting only which most people tell me will not be as good quality as capturing 4k and down converting to 2K. That means that I will want to stay at 4k or higher capturing which gives the edge to the Scarlet which will be 5k. I know my R1 does not go higher than 30 fps on 4k.

As for 4 channel audio, most of the productions I work on record to a separate source that does not even connect to the camera, so the 4 channels will not be that important.

Timecode? Is the new Scarlet not going to have timecode? I don't remember reading that anywhere.

Some people have said that format options are better on the RED One, but what would be the problem of just cropping a 5k image in post as opposed to recording the image at the correct format in the R1. Doesn't the R1 achieve different aspect ratios by cropping the sensor?

I like the ruggedness of the aluminum body, but after realizing how heavy it makes the camera, I think I would rather have the light weight of the new Scarlet.

Certain timelapse you can achieve through post production. Just let the camera run for a couple of hours (changing the battery in between) and speed up the footage later. I guess if you want to take timelapse footage over the course of several hours, the R1 would be the camera of choice, but I don't see most people doing that.

I hope I'm wrong, and that the R1 will retain its value. I just got mine a month ago. However, unless somebody can point out to me a dramatic feature that the R1 has compared to the Scarlet, I feel that my investment will drop like a rock in a year's time.

The ONLY real benefit I see of the R1 right now is that it is in my hands, and I can shoot with it. However, I still believe I am going to take a big hit on this investment unless I can rent it out soon.
 
Deadzone said:
I like the ruggedness of the aluminum body, but after realizing how heavy it makes the camera, I think I would rather have the light weight of the new Scarlet.
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Don't you think a Scarlet or Epic with all of the functionality of a RED ONE will weigh about the same or more. You can't record a shot with just a 4 pound brain. It needs a "body" with power supply, etc.

David
 
Allan Stallard said:
Exactly! Although I bet it'll be more like 12 months! Ha!
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Count down begins. Twelve months will be here before you know it. I hope you're able to generate enough for an upgrade because when Scarlet and Epic arrive, your R1 will no longer be the most attractive.
:bye2:
 
I wasn't sure if it has been asked; it's time consuming reading through all the recent posts.

Is there a possibility for a 4th option to be considered for current RED ONE owners:

4. A RED ONE owner can trade in their RED ONE for a full $17,500 credit towards any SCARLET and accessories. (?)

I know downgrading is not a route that some will want to take, but the Scarlet is all I would really need under my budget. I think a 4th option would put an end to most of the complaints. Regardless, awesome job to the RED team on offering upgrade paths! It truly is better than nothing. Thanks.
 
I have a 3-year-old Sharp Aquos 720P TV set with no HDMI inputs... I wonder if I can get Sharp to let me trade it in for a newer model as long as they cost the same? What, I have to buy the new TV set and find someone to buy the old one off of me? What about my 2-year-old 4G Ipod Nano -- I filled it up, will Apple let me trade it for a new 8G Nano? What, no? I have to pay for newer Mac products? What about my 2006 Toyota Prius, what if the 2009 model is better? Will Toyota let me swap out my car? No? What's up with that? :shifty:

Seriously, I can't believe how generous RED is already being with their upgrade policies...

Let's say they sold 5000 RED ONE's and then more or less switched them out for 5000 Scarlets and EPIC's when they got released, with the customer just paying the difference. Basically that would be 5000 new sales that they didn't make on the new cameras right off the bat. And who's to say that when the next generation comes along, those 5000 people (assuming one camera each) weren't going to expect to be able to swap those Scarlet's and EPIC's all over again? At what point does this become a charity rather than a business? Buy once, at incredibly low prices compared to the competition, and then get more or less a new camera every couple of years with no cost to the consumer?
 
David Mullen ASC said:
I have a 3-year-old Sharp Aquos 720P TV set with no HDMI inputs... I wonder if I can get Sharp to let me trade it in for a newer model as long as they cost the same? What, I have to buy the new TV set and find someone to buy the old one off of me? What about my 2-year-old 4G Ipod Nano -- I filled it up, will Apple let me trade it for a new 8G Nano? What, no? I have to pay for newer Mac products? What about my 2006 Toyota Prius, what if the 2009 model is better? Will Toyota let me swap out my car? No? What's up with that? :shifty:
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Hey David, while you are on the phone to Apple, could you ask them about my 5 year old Macs that wont edit RED footage ? Maybe they will swap them out.

If not, I'm gonna have to hit up Jim for some cash to replace them, since it's his cameras that are forcing me to get new macs.

Strangely Sony didn't respond yet to my request for a full credit of the (original) price of my FX1 against a nice new EX1, or my underwater housing manufacturer, although I'm sure they will soon !

Sheesh
 
Red are all about democratising the film industry - putting independents and low budget film makers on a technical par with the studios. That's what they started out to do and that's what they're continuing to do - that's what they do! This particular company is always going to offer something better for less cash every couple of years. We all have to live with it.

Completely off-topic, seeing David Mullen is on the forum - David, sorry to ask but do you know of any modern digital training / workshop DVDs on a par with the excellent Kodak Cinematography Master Class videos from the 1990s? I can't find anything!
 
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Is there a possibility for a 4th option to be considered for current RED ONE owners:

- A RED ONE owner can trade in their RED ONE for a full $17,500 credit towards any SCARLET and accessories.
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No, but as a RED ONE owner, you do qualify for a 12% discount on a Scarlet "Brain" and Accessories.

If you are using a P/L mount, any lenses you own will operate just fine with a Scarlet "Brain".
 
Hi,

Many people would take a Scarlet over an RED One just for the reduced boot up time.

Stephen
 
David Battistella said:
Don't you think a Scarlet or Epic with all of the functionality of a RED ONE will weigh about the same or more. You can't record a shot with just a 4 pound brain. It needs a "body" with power supply, etc.

David
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Yes, but I can't shoot with the R1 with just the 10lb body. I still need to add all that other stuff. The Scarlet is suppose to be 3lbs. To get just the body equal to a R1 body I would think it would be around 5lbs at the most. In fact, I would imagine that with all the accessories added to the Scarlet it would max out at around 20lbs. The batteries for the Scarlet look like they will be lighter. This makes sense since they said it will not generate as much heat (probably because it uses less power). My bare bones R1 setup weighs in at about 30lbs right now.

I'm still waiting for someone to explain why the R1 will still be a superior camera. As I stated in an earlier post, it seems like all the benefits are negligible and the Scarlet will be the way to go. Someone pointed out that the R1s that get returned for the Epic will probably be sold at some later point by RED. They wouldn't just throw these cameras out. That will even further depress the price of a R1 camera as a flood of these things will come onto the market.
 
RED1 is hands down a good investment 1 year ago and it still is today...period. If you own one then pat yourself on the back, you made a good investment and if your on the fence about waiting a year then maybe you dont NEED a R1...Rent mine.

I second David's comment and many others on this forum who are shocked at RED's generous policy. R1 trade in value is 17,500 so correct me if I am wrong but that means my camera is worth that much when I bought a year ago and will be worth that much in 12 months. I am sitting at post right now, pushing these current gen R3ds has hard as i can and still am excited if not more then the day I bought this camera. Part of me seriously does not want to let go of my R1..>I want to keep it until its a vintage classic, for me the R1 is what changed everything. Cheers.
 
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