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Stephen Pruitt

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Hi all. . .

I'm pretty darn confused about the recording aspects of the RED. Since the RED drives are not yet out, I'm assuming that everyone is using the RED Flash (CF) Module and 8 gig cards. HOWEVER, according to the site, if you use the RED Flash Module, you cannot use the RAW port. Is this a permanent disabling? Or can users go from one to the other with a field switch?

If we are using the CF Module, how much time shooting at 4K can one 8 gig card hold? An 8 gig P2 card only holds 8 minutes of data at 1080 using a Panasonic HVX. It seems to me that at 4K, we might only have two minutes of storage.

I was originally planning on buying the RED DRIVE when it comes out. Is anyone else exploring that option, as well?

Thanks so much.

Stephen
 
Hi Stephen,
The Raw Port is a factory installed option, and is replaced by the Flash Module. AFAIK you can't have both installed at once and you can't change them yourself. However the Raw Port is only for extremely high end use, I don't know of any productions so far (even the high end features) that have utilized this.

I will be shooting both Flash and Red Drive (when it becomes available).

Cheers,
Seth.
 
I wouldn't be too surprised if the RAW port didn't ship for a VERY long time... Solid state memory for handheld (that means CF for now), drives for sticks (if you want the longer record time). Best of luck!
 
Indie Rentals said:
I wouldn't be too surprised if the RAW port didn't ship for a VERY long time... Solid state memory for handheld (that means CF for now), drives for sticks (if you want the longer record time). Best of luck!
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Same here ..

I should elaborate that the reason that the RAW Port isn't in high demand is because the quality of REDCODE is so high to begin with. The cost vs return on the RAW Port doesn't make sense for all but the MOST extreme of uses.
 
The compression Ratio of 4k RedCode Raw is such that it takes up only a little more space than SD does. ~27MB/Sec at 24FPS. So you get a lot more storage space of 4k Red Code Raw that you do with the HD your stuffing on your P2 cards of equivalent size.
 
Craig Bowman said:
The compression Ratio of 4k RedCode Raw is such that it takes up only a little more space than SD does. ~27MB/Sec at 24FPS. So you get a lot more storage space of 4k Red Code Raw that you do with the HD your stuffing on your P2 cards of equivalent size.
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Just to Clarify, that's as compared to Uncompressed SD, which is around 22MB/Sec
 
OKAY!!!!

According to my calculations (probably wrong), that means an 8 gig card will hold about 6 minutes of 4K footage???

How big do CF cards come these days???

Thanks very much!

Stephen
 
The largest card which is fast enough is currently the 8GB, which gives about 4 minutes of 4k at 27MB/s. The latest firmware has increased the data rate though, so it could be slightly less.
 
Seth Larney said:
The Raw Port is a factory installed option, and is replaced by the Flash Module. AFAIK you can't have both installed at once and you can't change them yourself.
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Am I understanding you correctly that the Flash Module then needs to be installed before they ship me my camera?

I ordered 2 Reds at different times (so I assume there will be a time gap between shipments) and then later a CF module. Should I inform Red which camera I want the CF module on? And am I right in assuming that this means if I want a CF module for my second camera I have to send it back to the factory to have that installed?

thanks,

David
 
8 Gb Compact Flash

8 Gb Compact Flash

Hi There

I Just Finished Working With Steven Soderbergh In The Films "the Argentian" And "guerrilla", And He Shoots Both Movies With 8g Compact Flash (didn´t Use Hard Drives At All On Set), They Last Arround 5 To 6 Minutes Of Recording Time, And Seems To Me The Best Option, Is Like Having Magazines A "little Smaller Size Of Course" And Just Keep Changing Them And Keep Making The Transfer To A Hardisk And The Copies, Every Day. I Personally Thing Working This Way Have To Many Advantages.

I Hope This Is Helpfull For You, Any Further Questions Let Me Know

Redcam
 
REDCAM said:
Hi There

I Just Finished Working With Steven Soderbergh In The Films "the Argentian" And "guerrilla", And He Shoots Both Movies With 8g Compact Flash (didn´t Use Hard Drives At All On Set), They Last Arround 5 To 6 Minutes Of Recording Time, And Seems To Me The Best Option, Is Like Having Magazines A "little Smaller Size Of Course" And Just Keep Changing Them And Keep Making The Transfer To A Hardisk And The Copies, Every Day. I Personally Thing Working This Way Have To Many Advantages.

I Hope This Is Helpfull For You, Any Further Questions Let Me Know

Redcam
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Redcam, did you guys check footage from each card after unloading? there was another thread debating the cf procedures on location. How was it handled on the Soderbergh set?
 
What type of on set archiving did you guys use? Wondering what a bond company required?
 
Hello Redcam -

It seems that you are in an excellent position to inform ... if you are so willing. Mind you, I'm certainly not asking for you to reveal any trade secrets but I need some guidance (:help:).

My first questions, relating to this specific thread, are:

How many CF cards were in use on this well funded production?
What, in your opinion, is the functioning number of cards required for a small production to have in their kit?

(and paraphrasing the former questions)
How was the footage monitored and QC'ed.
How was the media managed once it was captured?
What was the media backed up on?
How often was the media downloaded off the cards, or were the card treated like tape and never downloaded?

Thanks for your input on this topic.

e.
 
Somebody once said.

It´s better to loose 5 minutes of footage from a CF than 2 hours from a HDD.

Somehow small CFs have an advantage here, and that means copying your footage periodically.

If we had 100,000 feet film rolls insted of 1,000, and one roll is damaged when downloading the magazine for example, imagine the problem you could have... XD
 
No truer words were ever spoken. . . imagine the consequences of a hard drive failure loaded with non-backed-up data! Yikes!

I'll probably be buying the hard drive for that occasional wedding, play, etc., but you've all convinced me to go CF. Thanks very much.

Stephen
 
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