Vocas mattbox for the red one

[virtual-one]

i so that vocas hilversum(holland) has a resevation voor the red one
i think the make a spacial mattbox voor the red one.
is that correct?

 

[Rob Lohman]

Are you talking about these guys?

http://www.vocas.com/

Are you asking if they are going to make a mattebox, or saying they will make one?

 

[Sanjin Jukic]

I have Vocas Matte Box which I bought last spring near Amsterdam at Vocas buildings in Hilversum. Hope it will work with the RED ONE.

 

[Robert Niessner]

How does it compare to a Chrossziel?

 

[Sanjin Jukic]

Vocas matte boxes quality and durability is like VW. Chrosziel is something like Audi or Porsche in the matte box field. More expensive and top quality German product.

 

[Martin Drew]

Hi Sanjin

I think the only issue you might find is because it is 4x4, when you are using wider lenses in the 2k or 4k format it may vignette a bit. Though I am sure it will be fine most of the time. What has your experience been using it with the Redrock? have you tried it with some of the wider Nikon lenses, 20mm or 14mm?

M

 

[Sanjin Jukic]

Have a look for the latest Vocas options at the original Dutch Vocas page

http://www.vocas.nl/index.htm

 

[Sanjin Jukic]

Redrock is a mixed pot.

PROS:
It is a cheaper than other two Geman adapters like P+S and MovieTUBE. You can attach a wide range of 35mm still and cine lenses. When it is in a right set up can achieve descent results almost like with an old 16mm film but not in quality like S16mm film. Very good for skills in 35mm DOF cinematography. Ideal for 720p but not good enough in 1080p. Usable for a short film production, music spots, documentaries, experimental and art cinema. In a big production can be used only like special effect or something like "exotic" or vintage shooting. But it is all up to concept and aestetic of the project and production at the end you could achieve very good film like result.

CONS:
Very difficult to set up, no written user manual, only via Redrock users online forum. Lost in light between 1-2 stops because of spinning glass (also issue with P+S). Achromatic glass should be in a better quality. Visible grain from the spinning glass that should at its best in a footage "to play" something like a film grain on full frame HD1080p resolution. Not usable resolution for green/blue screen keying.

My Redrock set up: Vocas matte box with French and side flags, Nikkor lens adapter/Canon EOS "simplified" adapter, Redrock 35mm DOF adapter, Redrock follow focus, Sony FX1 HDV cam...more>>>

http://www.sanjinjukic.com/page2/page2.html

 

[Rob Lohman]

Sanjin: I like your taped lens

 

[Júlio Taubkin]

Hi Sanjin

I think the only issue you might find is because it is 4x4, when you are using wider lenses in the 2k or 4k format it may vignette a bit. Though I am sure it will be fine most of the time. What has your experience been using it with the Redrock? have you tried it with some of the wider Nikon lenses, 20mm or 14mm?

M

I don't know, but the last 35mm I shot I used 4x4 filters (like many others I worked on) and they worked great as wide as 18mm (My widest on occasion)...

 

[Martin Drew]

It will depend on how many filters you are using, the design of the mattebox, the diameter of the front element and the FOV of the lens. So there may be many occasions when 4x4 does just fine but I think it is likely to be restrictive for RedOne usage.

Cinema Technic have some useful format recommendations:

http://www.cinematechnic.com/products/matte_box.html

 

[Júlio Taubkin]

Ok, good to know!

Maybe 4x4 isn't guaranteed to work all the time.

 

[Sanjin Jukic]

Sanjin: I like your taped lens

"Taped lens" is actually a way to fix focus and zoom rings on FX1 when you once get M2 to work (or on any other 1/3" camcorder that can be attached to the Redrock M2 35mm adapter). For the start to get an idea is the best to read about "a detailed explanation of depth of field (DOF), Circle of Confusion, and Bokeh" at "Creating the Film Look" y Mark Brindle, an M2 owner.

http://www.maniacfilms.com/creatingfilmlook-review.pdf

 

[Rob Lohman]

I know, it's just a funny look to see some pretty expensive gear with tape on it

 

[Sanjin Jukic]

Hmm, I would not say "pretty expensive". For example FX1 is the cheapest of "bigger" HDV cameras, M2 is the cheapest 35mm DOF adapter that can attach many lens mounts, Vocas Matte Box is the cheapest "quality" matte box, Vinten Pro Touch 5 is the cheapest "descent" DV tripod etc...everything is very very low budget...maybe to put it together cost a lot anyway...I mean little by little and than you get a high price...this I see could be a place for your notion about "some pretty expensive gear with tape on it".

 

[Antoine Baumann]

Hi Sanjin,

How much did you pay for your Vocas matte box?

antoine

 

[Sanjin Jukic]

Hi Sanjin,

How much did you pay for your Vocas matte box?

antoine

I paid for Vocas DV Mattebox MKII (E-2) Kit for FX1 + 2 French Flags + 2 side flags + 2 little rod extensions exactly € 1707,65 that includes Dutch 19% taxes.

 

[ladru]

Hi,
I am from Vocas.
The mattebox shown in this thread is a mattebox from our MB3XX series.
These matteboxes are made for 4x4 filters.
Asspecially for the red camera we have developped a bigger panavision size mattebox. The MB450.
This mattebox has all the features of a production production mattebox and more, up to 5 rotateble and tiltable filters and a 19mm swing away bracket.
We have a demo movie online:
http://www.vocas.com/links/prdemo-link.htm

 

[Greg M]

most all standard prime lenses (16mm to 135mm) are fine with 4X4 filters...unless of course you start stacking or rotating them. Most of my older filters are 4X4 and I use them all the time.

 

[Noah Kadner]

We just picked up a Vocas MB-450 (and an Arri matte box). Actually looks a bit more hardy than the Chrosziel. We'll be testing it out today, give you some feedback.

-Noah