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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

User Preset buttons - Build 16

Button map app sounds like a great idea but for starters... seeing as the RED ONE as many useful features that we want to access quickly I would second the "toggle multiple user selected features" enabled for those buttons.
 
simple and complex

simple and complex

a button mapping app would be great for advanced users to tinker with.

but just as important, especially for red beginners and/or clumsy operators is the ability to quickly and easily toggle those buttons in operational or non-operational mode. every shoot so far has resulted in people complaining about those buttons getting bumped accidentally.
 
The two functions used most on set are false color and false edge by far.

Currently the viewfinder button assigned to false color only works as false color or false edge but it would be KILLER to have two separate buttons assigned to these functions.

Turning the surround view off is a big request by DPs we work with but this is a new feature request, not just a button request.

I really LOVE the idea of format presets but im not sure this function belongs to the user buttons. However, since someone brought it up, please give us a quick and easy way to setup a project using presets. The most common formats we are jumping between are 4k 16:9/23.98 and 2k/3k variable frame rate. For example, if we could setup our own presets prior to the shoot, while on set we could just dial in 'preset 1, preset 2, or preset 3' depending on what our shooting formats are.
 
Jarred Land said:
So here is my question to you... what settings/functions would you like to see on the menu for those buttons to adjust?
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The best solution is to allow buttons to toggle the status of several things to on or off at one press of the button. (Cycling through options would be a nice alternative)

So when I press a button I can have 2x magnify and edge focus assist and the RGB histogram show up.

I think ganging 2x and edge focus assist in one button push would be very helpful. Toggle both on and off with one push on a button in addition to being able to program them separately. You guys could easily do that at your end and make it an option for us.

These things should be programmable:

All Focus Aids
* Edge Focus Assist
* 2x Zoom
* Edge Focus AND 2x Zoom (one push to get both)

* ISO (push a button to get ISO dialogue and then use scroll wheel to change, push scroll wheel to lock and exit ISO dialogue)

All Exposure Aids
* False Color
* Zebras 1
* Zebras 2
* All Histograms

* White Balance (should be included as a menu item as well)

* Shutter Speed (like ISO and Frame rate)

* Trigger Varispeed Ramp

* Frame Guides

* Frame Rate. (similar to ISO, bring up scroll wheel controlled dialogue)

There needs to be a fast way to get to 2K and 3K also. How about - "Frame Rate" dialogue asks for your frame rate and if that frame rate requires a lower resolution then the camera informs you of the change with a yes/no dialogue? People don't think 2k or 3k if they are unfamiliar with all things RED. They just know they need 120FPS on this shot. So logic about the interface needs to start with that in mind.

Varispeed should be used for setting ramps only. It's confusing to have a straight frame rate with no ramp under that name.

* NOTHING - make a button to clear literally everything off the screen for shooters who want nothing. So I hit the nothing button, then I press my frame guide button and all I see is frame guides. Push nothing again or any camera menu button on the back of the camera and everything reappears.

All buttons possible to be programmable should be. LCD, EVF, Camera side and Camera rear.

Finally, everything should be saved to the SD card for use in multiple cameras.

EDIT -- I think for speed of programming this whole thing should be XML or similar based. You guys release some templates and we edit and trade them around here. The camera should simply reject any file with bad formatting. I think the overhead of programming the camera interface to allow users to customize all the buttons is probably pointless since it'll never be as fast/easy as just editing a text file and loading it into the camera.

Maybe for now you just get false color, edge focus and zebras working so this part of the project doesn't delay 16. I'm sure we all would rather have the image improvements as fast as possible.
 
I would like one to cycle through exposure meters, maybe in B16 the waveform will actually be big enough to be worth using. The other should cycle through scaling 2x, 1:1, no lookaround. Also remember, not everyone will have an EVF, so think about that when choosing.
 
Well...for me, I'd love to be able to configure those buttons to be "increase shutter speed" and "decrease shutter speed" like simple shutter speed plus and minus buttons. However, the 100% focus would be pretty cool so perhaps there is a way to configure those buttons for multiple click sequences?

-shooter
 
phaz said:
I vote for monitor color on one button. Right now I am constantly switching
back and forth from edge detection to color monitor.
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heh heh.. that was Me and Stuarts first choice, so that already made itself in there for the Alpha.

And boy oh boy is nice :)
 
By far the most important option to have is the project size (2k,3k etc) and varispeed option which are currently way too time consuming. Nearly evry project that I shoot at the moment has a usual 4k 25fps and 2k 100 fps for the whole day or something similar.

If we could have 2 project/fps presets in the main menu that can be set with a few clicks at the top of the day and then they are one click/toggle away that'd be great....

Jeff Brown
RED708
 
Jeff Brown said:
If we could have 2 project/fps presets in the main menu that can be set with a few clicks at the top of the day and then they are one click/toggle away that'd be great....

Jeff Brown
RED708
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For personal use, I'm really interested in the different monitor setups. But for client use, having different project/frame rate/resolution presets connected to one button would absolutely be a huge time saver. We're technicians on a feature right now, and every time the DP wants it in varispeed it takes forever (relatively) especially when every two seconds they ask, is it done yet? Etc...
 
If it truly is only one function per button, my vote would be for

(1) 2X Focus Assist

(2) False Color Exposure Tool

Keeping it very simple, but these two (to me) are the most critical and the ones I would need to access very quickly and without fuss on a ongoing basis.
 
Why not make it programmable in a menu with all of these as choices? It seems that would be pretty easy to do...other cameras do it, already.

That way, everyone can choose what the A button does and what the B button does.

Would that work?

Kevin
 
wigby said:
a button mapping app would be great for advanced users to tinker with.
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Yes, please guys consider making this, or implementing this feature into RedCine. Preferred button presets will always vary depending on the types of shoots and shooter's needs. If you do that please enable saving few different "modes".


At the moment I personally need:

A: One click - fullscreen with no "look around", two click - 1:1
B: Switching between histogram, focus assist...etc

next moment I'll need something else...so will others


Kevin Wild said:
Why not make it programmable in a menu with all of these as choices? It seems that would be pretty easy to do...other cameras do it, already.

That way, everyone can choose what the A button does and what the B button does.

Would that work?

Kevin
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I think it could be unpractical with current display GUI configuration. If Red lcd & viewfinder get a full screen menu that would be nice.
 
Can't False Color and all these display setting be integrated to the monitoring device buttons? Like the EVF and LCD. That way when you change it only effects that device and not the making the director see false color as well.

I agree that it's important to have it but just in a more appropriate place. If it's possible.
 
Mike Prevette said:
I would be scared about putting any "format changes" onto the user buttons. It's to easy to screw things up if you can easily switch into 2k when you just meant to zoom in on the monitor.
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Make it so you have to press the button a second time to confirm.

bris-vegas said:
I think that way too many of these requests are getting to complicated. One push, two push, three clicks here and there....just go to the damn menu!

2 cents worth!
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3 cents worth: (I oneupped ya! Jarred: 3 pennies are in the mail.)

Right now, lacking a remote ccu box or interface, we underwater shooters are very limited in changes that can be made underwater. Without making other serious compromises, it is almost impossible to give good access to the menu buttons. Please give us as many functions as possible. Most single dives could get by with just a few options, but over a number of dives you might like to have a bunch of choices.

Maybe give us several modes. That is maybe one mode would make the bottom button cycle through all of your preset functions and then the top actually activate it.

Another mode might be just presetting the two buttons to two choices and you directly access them.

It is just software, so gives us as much flexibility as possible. If we are too clumsy to handle it properly that is our own fault - but not having options is frustrating. Being able to a high frame rates, shutter speeds, etc. could be very useful underwater.

HOLLYWOOD SCHMOLLYWOOD said:
Can't False Color and all these display setting be integrated to the monitoring device buttons? Like the EVF and LCD. That way when you change it only effects that device and not the making the director see false color as well.

I agree that it's important to have it but just in a more appropriate place. If it's possible.
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This might be helpful, particularly if they don't interfere with the side buttons as it would effectively give us a couple more buttons to use. In other words, let us use EVF/LCD buttons for the EVF/LCD functions and other functions programmable to the side buttons.
Arno said:
1- Photon Canon
2- Nuclear Grenades
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Best one - not too practical - but funny!
 
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