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Upset about not having the fixed 2/3" Scarlet??

Wow Alexander you really seem bent on grammer who cares how ppl choose to express themselfs you shouldn't judge ppl based on that and you should take some of your own advice attacking ppl that where just being defended. I for one have read there posts and they just seem really enthusiastic about RED and have done nothing to to anyone to deserve this kind of lashing..
Alexander Waldman said:
Everyone is joking, right? I actually completely agree with John. Reuben and Sheri may be bring "positive energy" to Reduser, but frankly ignoring any and all grammatical rules to end up with a post that barks at people that their opinion is the only correct one, and that all decisions that Red makes are the best for everyone is a bit ridiculous. I mean no disrespect to you, Josh, but consider your and Ruben and Sheri's join date. (I don't mean to say that join date is everything, as it's certainly quite possible that both you and Reuben and Sheri were long-time lurkers, as I once was.) It's exceedingly difficult for anyone to be "widely respected" and "held in high regard" after only 1-2 months of joining a community. Compare the content of their posts and the contribution they have made to the Reduser community to other members who most Redusers would agree have a respected and highly regarded status, like David Mullen or Ketch Rossi; you'll find that there is an extreme difference.

I may have very few posts to my name (especially considering that I joined back in 2008), but I've read tens of thousands of other user's posts. For the past several years, the tone, function, and composure of the forum have remained relatively consistent. Since the whole Scarlet rush on Reduser started around June, it's changed quite a bit in that there's less actual information and more speculation, but by far most Redusers have been maintaining the relaxed professional atmosphere of this forum. While I applaud Reuben and Sheri's enthusiasm, I found none of the information in any of the 16 threads they started contributed positively to Reduser. Moreover, 14 of their 16 threads were started in the Scarlet section and obscured the threads by other users who were actually capable of using the "search" function yet still needed information, or had information to provide.

Just to remind everyone: Reduser is a forum. It would be useless if everything posted in it is all positive all the time, and attacks anything negative. Everyone is entitled to voice their own opinions, but consistently antagonizing people whose opinion differs from their own is not okay. When Redusers have a disagreement, they deal with it rationally, using real words and not exclamatory baseless statements typed in all caps with seven exclamation marks.

This isn't a post hating on Reuben and Sheri, or young filmmakers, or people who would love a Red but can't afford one being a part of the Reduser community. I think it's wonderful to have a community that is so welcoming. I appreciated it when I first joined in 2008 at the ripe old age of 17. Could I afford anything made by Red? No. Was I the world's best cinematographer? No. Did I have any camera at all? No.

But in those 3 years, I made it my priority to one day own a Scarlet. I fell in love with the 2/3" sensor and 3k at 120fps (even after initially hating it and secretly wanting a S35 Scarlet), and I was severely disappointed by my dream Scarlet's apparent absence from the Red roadmap. That being said, I am absolutely thrilled with just about every aspect of the Scarlet-X and placed an order as soon as the server would let me through. It's a bit more than I can actually afford at the moment, considering that I was hoping that $12k would get me a full shootable Fixed-Scarlet kit, but I ordered it anyway. Why? Because I strongly believe that the demand for Scarlet-X rentals will be quite high. I never considered the possibility of renting out my Fixed Scarlet since I figured Red One rentals were so cheap and S35 would be the preferred format for most shoots. But now, the Scarlet-X makes renting it out not only a possibility, but an opportunity for the camera to pay for itself and then some when I don't have anything to shoot.

As for not having a 2/3" sensor and fixed lens anymore, I was still pretty disappointed. S35 means I need a focus puller since no fixed lens meant no autofocus and a very shallow DOF. Then I realized that 3k windowed on the Scarlet-X is about the same as S16 and 2/3" size, and allows me to get the same FOV and DOF while also affording me all of the benefits of S35. For me, it's a win-win. The only downside I forsee is that I'll have to get some expensive super wide lenses which will probably vignette while in full-frame, but will work beautifully in 3k. So there ya go.
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Jannard said:
Sorry you feel that way. The delays in development exposed the fact that 3K is not future-proof. And we make cameras for professionals. or those that aspire to be professionals. We had a hard time justifying a 3K professional camera. The fact that the 8X fixed zoom had a fatal flaw (couldn't hold focus from wide to tele)... was the straw that broke the camel's back.

Jim
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I hate to speculate and want to say that Scarlet x seemed like the next logical move, in fact I kinda saw it coming ( since its an epic with just less internals), but since its already made, why not just pop off the fixed lens and release a 2/3in interchangable for 6 thousand and call everyone even. I'd buy it even if all it had was x reslotuion redcode 24fps.

Let me add, most would buy it hoping to upgrade the brain to s35 at some point since all the accessories work together. Thats what I would do.

Personally I like the s35 better, but I need a new car first :emote_headwall: then scarlet x.
 
Alexander Waldman said:
Everyone is joking, right? I actually completely agree with John. Reuben and Sheri may be bring "positive energy" to Reduser, but frankly ignoring any and all grammatical rules to end up with a post that barks at people that their opinion is the only correct one, and that all decisions that Red makes are the best for everyone is a bit ridiculous. I mean no disrespect to you, Josh, but consider your and Ruben and Sheri's join date. (I don't mean to say that join date is everything, as it's certainly quite possible that both you and Reuben and Sheri were long-time lurkers, as I once was.) It's exceedingly difficult for anyone to be "widely respected" and "held in high regard" after only 1-2 months of joining a community. Compare the content of their posts and the contribution they have made to the Reduser community to other members who most Redusers would agree have a respected and highly regarded status, like David Mullen or Ketch Rossi; you'll find that there is an extreme difference.

I may have very few posts to my name (especially considering that I joined back in 2008), but I've read tens of thousands of other user's posts. For the past several years, the tone, function, and composure of the forum have remained relatively consistent. Since the whole Scarlet rush on Reduser started around June, it's changed quite a bit in that there's less actual information and more speculation, but by far most Redusers have been maintaining the relaxed professional atmosphere of this forum. While I applaud Reuben and Sheri's enthusiasm, I found none of the information in any of the 16 threads they started contributed positively to Reduser. Moreover, 14 of their 16 threads were started in the Scarlet section and obscured the threads by other users who were actually capable of using the "search" function yet still needed information, or had information to provide.

Just to remind everyone: Reduser is a forum. It would be useless if everything posted in it is all positive all the time, and attacks anything negative. Everyone is entitled to voice their own opinions, but consistently antagonizing people whose opinion differs from their own is not okay. When Redusers have a disagreement, they deal with it rationally, using real words and not exclamatory baseless statements typed in all caps with seven exclamation marks.
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There IS an "ignore" list you can access via the member's profile that gets on your nerves. Much simpler.

Personally I like R&S O, they seem like nice folks I'd go eat pizza with, even if I don't always agree with their Red related opinions.
 
Luc Bouvrette said:
There IS an "ignore" list you can access via the member's profile that gets on your nerves. Much simpler.

Personally I like R&S O, they seem like nice folks I'd go eat pizza with, even if I don't always agree with their Red related opinions.
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Agreed. I would buy them the pizza just to hang out. Bitter grammar teacher wannabees are wankers
 
We are just fun loving people that luv RED, as of today we will no longer post because it seems our point of view of RED and statements upset people we wish to keep peace so we will gracefull bow out of reduser so as to not upset further, we luv you all and wish u the best =)
 
Ruben and Sheri O. said:
We are just fun loving people that luv RED, as of today we will no longer post because it seems our point of view of RED and statements upset people we wish to keep peace so we will gracefull bow out of reduser so as to not upset further, we luv you all and wish u the best =)
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Don't let bitterness win!! You guys stay here - we need you!
 
We just don't want to upset ppl we are not like that, we just want to make music video's /movies and just luv RED! We don't wish to fight with anyone or upset ppl but thank u for your support =) we luv you all
Josh Beadle said:
Don't let bitterness win!! You guys stay here - we need you!
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Luc Bouvrette said:
There IS an "ignore" list you can access via the member's profile that gets on your nerves. Much simpler.

Personally I like R&S O, they seem like nice folks I'd go eat pizza with, even if I don't always agree with their Red related opinions.
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I'm sure Reuben and Sheri are very nice people, and I would probably go eat pizza with them as well. Also, I apologize for entering "rant" mode, I didn't mean for it to come off that way. Grammar aside, the main thing that bothered me were the incessant exclamations that "THE SCARLET X IS THE BEST CAMERA EVER" (without explaining why they think so) and that Red can do no wrong in response to anyone with a differing opinion.

Reuben and Sheri, I would like to personally apologize if I offended you in any way, I certainly didn't mean to. I just felt the need to explain my (and apparently a few other users') frustrations, and I hope you can understand where we're coming from.
 
Ruben and Sheri O. said:
We just don't want to upset ppl we are not like that, we just want to make music video's /movies and just luv RED! We don't wish to fight with anyone or upset ppl but thank u for your support =) we luv you all
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Please don't leave. There is much love for you. You are the 1% - the rare positive element we all need more of. Please stay, for me
 
Ruben and Sheri O. said:
We just don't want to upset ppl we are not like that, we just want to make music video's /movies and just luv RED! We don't wish to fight with anyone or upset ppl but thank u for your support =) we luv you all
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Please don't leave Reduser! That wouldn't solve anything. Just try to realize that the Red love has its place on Reduser, it just isn't all over the forum.
 
We understand and appreciate ur apology, the reason we think Scarlet is the best cam in the world is because for us the specs have meet all are needs and wants, sorry to make it seem like we are arguing but we are so jazzed about the new Scarlet X.. peace luv and a peanut butter jelly sandwich
Alexander Waldman said:
I'm sure Reuben and Sheri are very nice people, and I would probably go eat pizza with them as well. Also, I apologize for entering "rant" mode, I didn't mean for it to come off that way. Grammar aside, the main thing that bothered me were the incessant exclamations that "THE SCARLET X IS THE BEST CAMERA EVER" (without explaining why they think so) and that Red can do no wrong in response to anyone with a differing opinion.

Reuben and Sheri, I would like to personally apologize if I offended you in any way, I certainly didn't mean to. I just felt the need to explain my (and apparently a few other users') frustrations, and I hope you can understand where we're coming from.
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Ruben and Sheri O. said:
We understand and appreciate ur apology, the reason we think Scarlet is the best cam in the world is because for us the specs have meet all are needs and wants, sorry to make it seem like we are arguing but we are so jazzed about the new Scarlet X.. peace luv and a peanut butter jelly sandwich
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I understand your excitement! And thanks for the explanation...now I understand your point of view a little better! :)
 
All this pizza talk is giving me the munchies.
 
Well, As I said my post wasn't meant to be taken in a bad hearted nature.

It's just that you have people talking about an actual valid point of having a s16mm digital format and your replies kinda disregard everything with substance being discussed "STOOPPPP COMPLAININGGGGGG"

No one is complaining. We are discussing, we can't?

For the one who said I belong youtube. Again, I didn't meant to attack as a flame and that was pretty much said on my post.

On the other hand, when you call me KID, and try to disregard my opinion saying to go to a corner (because of my age? that's the pun?) comes out as kinda flamy and offensive for me.

My second language isn't as well English so the tone of things may get lost in translation. But that's why I said two or 3 times that I'm not stoning you, just asking you please for not being so disrespectful with the actual good discussion we are having here.

True about the Ignore button. I don't like it but might as well use it.

Implying I'm talking for Jim and being disrespectful is also a long shot from what I said. I said I THINK he would prefer people who get all the points of view. But ok, keep it that way.

Again my apologies for who got my message as an offensive attack.

Being positive doesn't mean you have to accept everything that you have in front on your face. I for once find myself in a positive position on this situation. Scarlet X is a great camera and there can be turnarounds on what to do. That doesn't mean I can't give my opinion on a Post talking about the fixed camera on the 2/3" S16mm topic.

First time on REDUSER I see a post like "Go to a corner until you have something nice to say"

That seemed more offensive than anything on this thread (That but the Fuck positive people, but that was a point being made).

It seems this have railed long from the actual topic. And I stated my opinion afterwards on my later post.

Good day!
 
Emanuel A. said:
I would never trade the Scarlet-X for anything other than more frame rates perhaps if not (decidedly) smaller sensor size. 35mm has been the sweet spot for longer than a century. And that's the whole point IMHO.
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Sweet spot for what? Big feature films and most expensive tv-drama in the world.
You know these don't cover for even 1% of professional (digital) moving picture camera usage.
 
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