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TS-PRO Shift and Tilt

Tom Gleeson

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Has anyone have any experience with the Horseman TS-PRO Shift and Tilt
camera system? http://www.komamura.co.jp/e/index.html
Looks interesting but unsure the design would allow for the lens to
move back enough for infinity focus? They show it attached to a Red camera and if you used the Zeiss ZF or CP lenses it could be good although I did not see a price.

Tom Gleeson DOP
Sri Lanka
 
Tom, good find. It's basically the front end of a view camera (Horseman was a classic large format/view camera manufacturer).

You would indeed require lenses designed for greater flange depth if you wanted to focus far from the camera. Otherwise it's going to act like a macro attachment. It would also need lenses with a greater image circle to allow for any kind of movement of the front standard - of course, moving the lens further from the target does increase the size of the circle whilst reducing the focus distance). Seems like a perfect job for 'Blad or Mamiya MF lenses unless you're shooting table-top stuff.
 
Yes it is a good find. I've been looking for something like this for some time. I already use Olympus bellows and macro lenses mounted on the 19mm rails but I do want tilt and shift to get better depth of field at 1:1 and greater magnification.

I've asked the UK distributors of Horseman to get me a price. It'll probably frighten me off, but I'll post it if no one else does in the meantime.

John
 
Questions

Questions

John,

Yes please pass on the price I do not think Horseman have an Australian distributor? If you do speak to someone in the know could you ask if the TS Pro mounted on a PL camera using full frame Still lenses could expect to attain infinity focus? If not what type of lenses would they recommend?
 
Another

Another

Doing a bit more further research I suspect you will have to use projector or medium format lenses with the system. Not such a problem but wide angle glass might be problematic but not familiar with the larger formats. Another alternative that looks interesting is the http://www.zoerk.com/

The dilemma is you really need to get your hands on one to determine their capabilities and limitations.
 
tilt shift

tilt shift

Tommy.....
Mate i have been looking at a set of tilt shifts for the next cooking show....
I have been looking at these......
the Canon T/S 24mmT4, 45mmT2.8 & 90mmT2.8

https://www.schneideroptics.com/ecommerce/CatalogItemDetail.aspx?CID=1100&IID=1817
https://www.schneideroptics.com/ecommerce/CatalogItemDetail.aspx?CID=1100&IID=1818
https://www.schneideroptics.com/ecommerce/CatalogItemDetail.aspx?CID=1100&IID=1819

or there is this Clairmont swing shift......start saving......!

https://www.schneideroptics.com/century/broadcast/SwingShift/SwingShift.htm

Cheers
Mossy
 
Tom Gleeson said:
Doing a bit more further research I suspect you will have to use projector or medium format lenses with the system. Not such a problem but wide angle glass might be problematic but not familiar with the larger formats. Another alternative that looks interesting is the http://www.zoerk.com/

The dilemma is you really need to get your hands on one to determine their capabilities and limitations.
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Definitely wide angle is the big issue. By moving the lens away from the plane of focus you are projecting the image on a larger circle (which is necessary for the tilt/shift to work) but that means, aside from the long focus issue, your actual sensor is getting a small "zoomed in" section of the image circle - effectively lengthening the focal length of the lens. So a 50mm lens on one of these, assuming the sensor sees half the intended image circle, sort of becomes a 100mm. (Don't go jumping on me over my math - it's late and I'm just snatching this outta thin air - but you get the idea)

Wonder how far forward that Epic sensor can move ... :001_smile:
 
Shane Betts said:
Definitely wide angle is the big issue. By moving the lens away from the plane of focus you are projecting the image on a larger circle (which is necessary for the tilt/shift to work) but that means, aside from the long focus issue, your actual sensor is getting a small "zoomed in" section of the image circle - effectively lengthening the focal length of the lens. So a 50mm lens on one of these, assuming the sensor sees half the intended image circle, sort of becomes a 100mm. (Don't go jumping on me over my math - it's late and I'm just snatching this outta thin air - but you get the idea)

Wonder how far forward that Epic sensor can move ... :001_smile:
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That's not really correct, Shane. A 50mm is a 50mm. On a medium format, 50mm will be a wide angle, and on S35 it will not. But a 50mm on a TS rig will be no different in field of view than a 50mm Master Prime.

F/VESCO has had a Clairmont Swing Shift set for sale on here that has lenses as wide as 18mm. I love that set. I don't know how much the Horseman setup is when you get lenses on it, but the Clairmont rig might not look like a bad price.
 
Shift and tilt

Shift and tilt

Paul,

The Canons from Schneideroptics look good although not cheap. They only tilt not shift but you could partly compensate by rotating the lenses. My issue as an owner operator is kit as specialised and expensive as this would never pay for itself and only be used on specialised occasions. On bigger budget jobs production usually prefers industry standard kit anyway.

Shift and Tilt glass could be good for food shots as focus can be placed very specifically but not convinced it would be a huge leap forward over a nice shallow depth prime.

Paul just got back from shooting SBSTV's new cooking show where we used a PDW800 for general imagery and the Red One for the cooking segments. OMG we lugged the Red through mud and up mountains often in pouring tropical rain. The camera worked well but the weight and ergonomics was a killer. Never again. Bring on the Epic
 
I've got the Canon 17mm and 24mm TS-e's. I've shot motion through those on the 5d2, mostly using movements to fine tune composition. Most of my still work is with view cameras, so I really miss shift and rise on the Red sometimes. I'm hoping that Epic will play nice with my tilt shift glass. The new Canon's (though pretty slow) are wicked sharp.
 
TS is an other world all together, however other then using this lenses on EPIC or R1 for that matter, its important to understand first that their functions are to be completely of MANUAL FOCUS.

There is simply no simple way to add a Follow focus system, or Motors as this will have to be continuously re-adjusted as you continuously re-adjust the plain of focus control via the TS,
and or adjust for the Horizontal line of Focus or Vertical when rotated, and or adjusting the both the Tilt, Shift and Rotation, so I strongly suggest to get int to this systems of lenses, with this in mind,
do as I do and you'll be happy, Use your Hand only... ;)

Unless of course you set up a shot, have plenty of time, and are not going to change anything as you film, then you can creatively set up Motors to focus your shot.

Once you started playing... PATIENTLY... with TS glass, you'll never want to do without... ;)
 
I gave L&P a visit and they were very helpful but do not have a TS-Pro in stock. I have asked if one could be temporarily brought out to Sydney as a demo. L&P will pass this request on to Horseman but if anyone lose is keen for a look email L&P at richard@lapfoto.com.au as they need to see sufficient interest to bring one in.
 
Rocco Schult said:
For everybody on your side of the great lake: Test drive from BandPro.
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Thanks Rocco. We do have the TS-Pro in stock. In fact, there's one in our showroom right now if anyone is interested in testing the various effects that it's capable of. US customers are eligible for our offer to test drive it for free. We'll ship it to you. You ship it back if you decide not to keep it.
 
Horseman rides into town

Horseman rides into town

For Sydney locals L&P Photographic have kindly agreed to bring one into the country for a demonstration. Raise your hand here on Reduser if your interested in a look and I can coordinate or speak to Richard at L&P Photographic directly.
 
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