Trying to recreate actual fire for a music video.

[Asif Limbada]

ok, we checked with a local supplier of fire machine says he would charge USD5000 for day to install 5 machines with a guy sitting with an extinguisher.

i can get these machines for USD 100 per piece and get 4 guys "off the street" with fire extinguishers (50ltr @ USD200)

the thing is the reason we have to look for our own solutions is because, its just too damn expensive. The day, it becomes reasonable i will start contacting the pyro guys.

btw the FD, will stop us from doing it, let alone be there to. I might be assuming this, but considering the ways things work here, my experiences have been bad.

Hence, i will try out Bryan F Konylarz's idea of the water tub, with 2 guys dedicated in the safety detail.

We regularly do fire training at my workshop. This will come in handy.

But thanks for all the ideas. Keep it coming

 

[Asif Limbada]

here in california , over 100 candles burning needs a fire safety officer , city or county and any lit flame needs a fire saftey crew member , as in a guy standing with a fire extinguisher very close to set.

that is for good reason , fire jumps very very quickly , on volcano , propane fire rigs , seemingly safe , were not once nearby fabric caught on fire ,
also a propane mortar with a valve completely engulfed a local 44 spfx guy , as someone walked by the valve and " played with it " while he was putting a tab of fire starting goo in the mortar , used to ignite said mortar. on a movie we did called point of origin . the hardware store set that was built to house controlled burns , also burned down , so be careful , firearms and fire are very cool looking , and give great results , but those are two instances where hiring a specialist is almost mandatory , from a safety perspective

its not just the flame , but nervous/curious or just plain non thinking people are the real danger around fire on set ,

the method Dominic described sounds good, just make sure everyone on set is aware , and exits are clear to everyone .

if you can , go to a fireplace / bbq retailer , they should have propane /natural gas " different orficies " fireplace inserts , that way you don't have to "make "anything they are circular or s shaped tubes that sit flat and send a controllable flame upward , then you can use a portable propane cylinder , and ball valve ,

i have used dominics, method for having flames shoot up from a frying pan , it works great , and the flame is controlled off of set by said ball valve , so it gives a bit of excited face from stunt guy

good luck

I am doing exactly that. we will have dedicated personnel for the ball valve and gas tank in water tank, the pipe extending to a water tank with a pipe inside that has the holes, one personnel for the pipe between the tank and the water tub with pipe and the other near the water tub.

I will be testing it with different hole sizes at a smaller scale. fingers crossed.

 

[Brian F Kobylarz]

...its just too damn expensive. The day, it becomes reasonable i will start contacting the pyro guys.

btw the FD, will stop us from doing it, let alone be there to. I might be assuming this, but considering the ways things work here, my experiences have been bad.

Hence, i will try out Bryan F Konylarz's idea of the water tub, with 2 guys dedicated in the safety detail.

We regularly do fire training at my workshop. This will come in handy.

But thanks for all the ideas. Keep it coming

As I prefaced in my post, the unit I used was provided by and operated by fire department personnel. Note that I also concluded my original post on the same theme - use professionals.
More than the potential loss of property or monetary cost would be human injury or worse.

I cannot stress enough the wisdom in working with professionals that know what they are doing. If your FD would stop you from doing it, there is most likely a good reason.

Reconsider some of the other ideas that were presented - from flicker generators to projected fire.

An alternative that I strongly recommend is using the ROSCO X24 Effects projector.
Take a look at this link: www.rosco.com/lighting/x24.cfm
If you search you-tube, you can find some samples of the fire effect that can achieved with this unit. Great effect, good investment and above all else - safe.

 

[Asif Limbada]

duly noted, Brian.

And I am making sure safety is the first priority.