Toshiba official: HD-DVD is dead.

[laguun]

My biggest problem with bluray is that it has mandatory DRM. This should be up to each producer. If someone wants to release a bluray disk with no DRM they can't. That needs to change.

You can release a bluray anytime without DRM.
You however wont be able to use all the features on the media layer.

 

[Aiden Cornwell]

You can release a bluray anytime without DRM.
You however wont be able to use all the features on the media layer.

Do you know anyone who has done it? The reason I am asking is Bruce Nazarian from the DVD society was talking about this DRM rule on the digital production buzz. He stated that DRM must be on bluray.

 

[laguun]

Do you know anyone who has done it? The reason I am asking is Bruce Nazarian from the DVD society was talking about this DRM rule on the digital production buzz. He stated that DRM must be on bluray.

We are often doing blurays without drm (for crew premieres, directors, salespitches, festivals etc).

I am not sure about mass manufacturing, but i can say that all DRM free blurays we mastered directly from Adobe CS3 Premiere Pro worked flawless.

 

[ChrisLyon]

Most Bluray rips are about 5-10GBs, and the quality is stunning.

Most blu-ray rips are 720...

Not to mention lack of any bonus features at all. There are only a handful of 1080p rips and they are usually 10+ GB every time- sometimes closer to 17GB. Again... without bonus features. I'd rather have the disc. I have no need to back up my movies because I take pretty good care of them- especially blu-rays. I've only backed up a few DVDs ever and that was because we were going out of town and I wanted to take the copies- not the originals so they wouldn't get stolen by the brats on the bus.

I've only ever lost one DVD or CD to scratching... so really, DRM doesn't bother me. If I want to watch a movie I own, I have the right to make as many copies as I want or to view it in any format I want- legally- as long as I don't circumvent DRM to do so. This means that if a DRM-free version is online, I can download it say, for encoding on my iPod. I didn't circumvent DRM, someone else did- so no sweat off my back.

Remember all those Jurassic Park sites that said "If you don't own the movie, don't watch these clips or hear this sound byte because it's illegal to do so?" That's basically, the author of the page clearing him of showing those clips. To my knowledge, none of them ever got a cease and desist because, essentially, they had that disclaimer. Now, several of them have shut down, but that's because JP3 sucked...

 

[Anders Holck]

Dont underestimate the coders:

You can rip BD+ titles to disc and play them from there with earlier PowerDVD versions like 3104 and a few versions above that. EPIC is such a big word
You can't process those rips though, like transcode or play with an arbitrary player yet, that's correct.

But I have most of the BD+ code done, should take no more than a few weeks, I guess... (the details and lack of documentation are a pain )

Remember that BD+ encryption still has to be decrypted on the fly by consumer devices and stil offer features lige trick play and FF etc.

 

[Aiden Cornwell]

We are often doing blurays without drm (for crew premieres, directors, salespitches, festivals etc).

I am not sure about mass manufacturing, but i can say that all DRM free blurays we mastered directly from Adobe CS3 Premiere Pro worked flawless.

OK so they probably were refering to mass production.

 

[GlennChan]

Naturally there will be always camera rips of recent releases, but that is nothing for the usual audience.

I saw a presentation by Deluxe on that stuff. If the pirate is skilled at it (it takes time to learn that stuff), the quality is surprisingly good (and good enough for consumers IMO).

But there are actually very few people doing this, and as the quality goes up it gets easier for Deluxe to read their watermarks. So if the penalties are high enough (it'll take time for lawmakers to pass these laws), I think they might effectively stop this problem.

2- I find it interesting that others will add subtitles to the movies and solve language barriers.

The distribution networks (e.g. P2P) are also very fast at distributing these pirated movies.

Companies will also make the packaging for a particular movie beforehand and distribute those weeks before the movie is released. So within a few days of the movie being released, other pirates can download the movie off P2P, duplicate all their DVDs, and package them and ship them out to retailers.

From a economics perspective, it's interesting that these illegal markets innovate to meet consumer demand and to solve their problems.

2b- As stated before, I think we should increase the penalties for retailers who sell pirated movies. I don't think anyone would have a problem with that.

 

[ChrisLyon]

The best 'rips' are telecines which, depending on the equipment and facilities used, can be DVD quality. But I really don't want to get into my knowledge of this stuff. I once was lost but now I'm found- was blind (from zero day releases), but now I see (blu).