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Gregor Hagey

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Hello all,

I'm Gregor Hagey a Toronto based DP and as some of you know I'm
beginning to plan a test with my brother Morning for his RED#98.
PS is graciously giving us equipment support (thanks Penny!). We're
hoping to do it at the end of September (depending on when the camera
arrives).
We have a good idea about how we want to put this camera
through its' paces, but I'd love to get some feedback from all the
local Redheads about what they think would constitute a thorough
test. I know that Gibby is doing an exhaustive test before us, but we
need to discover for ourselves what this camera can do. After the
test we're endeavouring to share all the results by posting them
online and have a public viewing at a theatre.​
 
Ha Ha. We're getting both the zoom and 300mm, plus we'll try to throw on some Cooke's and Zeiss' at PS. Congrats on getting your project greenlit! I hope it goes well. Too bad you have to push the LART test. This is high season for me too so I'm feeling a bit of pressure to fit the test in between work.
 
Gregor, I'll second that vote of thanks to Penny and the folks at PS for providing support to the #98 test.
This will be fun!
 
- If you also get the Nikon mount some Nikon glass (I can offer some if you don't have).
- Pans and different shutter speeds.
- Handheld
- Daylight & Tungsten
- Workflow from Red Drive &/or CF to injestion and edit on FCP.
- Battery life
- Timelapse if it has that function yet.
- Moire
- Raw to final output and how to adjust saturation, contrast, etc.
- Greenscreen (and results after workflow)
- Latitude
- Faces, not just charts

Cheers
 
Might be available to help. I will know closer to the day!
 
planetearth said:
- If you also get the Nikon mount some Nikon glass (I can offer some if you don't have).
- Pans and different shutter speeds.
- Handheld
- Daylight & Tungsten
- Workflow from Red Drive &/or CF to injestion and edit on FCP.
- Battery life
- Timelapse if it has that function yet.
- Moire
- Raw to final output and how to adjust saturation, contrast, etc.
- Greenscreen (and results after workflow)
- Latitude
- Faces, not just charts

Cheers
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Good list of suggestions. We will have the Nikon F mount adaptor and I'm hoping to get my hands on a Nikkor 6 or 8mm and some macros to test it with (maybe I'll take you up on that offer).

Definitely going to test handheld, dolly, crane and stedicam modes.

We will have a FCP workflow set up to test.

I wasn't planning on greenscreen work, but maybe I can figure something out.

We will definitely hit everything else on your list.
 
Fovean said:
It'll be tough, but how about a couple night exteriors?

I want to see something really contrasty and moody, not just day exterior and super-big soft sources.

Thanks and good luck
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We'll shoot some available light night exteriors and if we can get our hands on some big guns we'd love to light something nice outside too.
 
Gregorios said:
We'll shoot some available light night exteriors and if we can get our hands on some big guns we'd love to light something nice outside too.
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That's great - thanks for considering some nighttime work. Hope you're able to do it.

If I was in the neighborhood I'd offer to help out, but best of luck.
 
Thats great! I'm in MTL, but if I am available on the date you choose, I would be glad to come down and help.
 
Method said:
Gregor,

Shoot power lines against grey skies. Shoot them horizontally across the frame and diagonally across the frame.

And yes I am still bullet hole free.

Method
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Glad to hear you didn't have to test your body armour. Good idea about the power lines, a good way to spot aliasing.

I'll let you know when we get the 30 day count down from Red.
 
Whoa! How'd I miss this thread??? This sounds fantastic. A few points:

1.) Gregor, sorry I haven't called. I'm now back from the S. Africa shoot so I'll call you tomorrow.

2.) I think we could do a nice job of this and contribute a few things to the early RED knowledge base (besides... LART is hogging all the limelight :biggrin: )

3.) THE SHOOT - I think the shoot could feature technical tests, comparisons and aesthetic footage:

A) TECH - I reviewed PS's technical 'shot list' for the SI-2K camera tests, which was very thorough and exhaustive. They included the standard resolution, exposure, colour and latitude tests as well as addressing some esoteric topics like rolling shutter. Of course, lens comparisons would be useful but I think the real litmus test would be a shoot-out between Red and film (and maybe even the SI-2K). We probably can't get free/cheep F-900s or Varicams, but I'm sure that would have limited value anyway. I think the real test everyone wants to see is RED v FILM! Assuming PS will allow us to use a Arri-535, I could look into getting the film processed and scanned @ 4K (I'll see what I can do). We may have to purchase a couple rolls of 100ASA vision stock, but I'm sure we can figure that out. It would be really great to do side-by-side shots with RED vs. an Arri, featuring resolution, under/over exposure tests, dynamic range, etc. For this it would probably be best to use industry standard Cooke or Zeiss glass (I think PS has S-4s) and keep everything else consistent. I think the under/over - shoulder/knee comparison would be very interesting

B) ART: Assuming that the tests would be widely downloaded we may as well try to showcase Canada in a good light. A good showpiece for all involved. I think the aesthetic footage could feature the city a bit. Maybe some outdoor footy by the lake, or some night shots at Yonge & Dundas. Whatever... I just look forward to filming the Toronto skyline and NOT having to remove the CN-Tower in post. :sad:

4.) POST - As implied above I'll look into getting Technicolor on board (they are already working with PS on post pipeline stuff). I can offer Inferno and Flame for compositing (green screen / blue screen shots?) as well as color grading, keying, difference keying, tracking, image stabilization, post slow-motion, etc. I'll see if we can get a Luster suit for the colour grade, but failing that we can again use Inferno. It might be fun to transfer a few shots to DPX for Walt to grade in the Spirit 4K suite. And... it's a long shot, but we might even be able to film-out some of the shots on the Arri 4K laser recorder for viewing in the PFA screening theatre. Which brings me to...

5.) FINDINGS / PRESENTATION. This could be dual focused:

A) First; a presentation in a suite or theatre for the local enthusiasts. Technicolor has hosted ASC meetings and industry piss-ups before so they may be convinced. I'll have to look into the proper screening venue - I'm not sure where our 2K projector went, but it would be nice to do it in a top-notch environment. I think our IMAX screening theatre would rock, but it may have to be held in a Luster or Inferno suite. Alas all of the monitors are HD and 2K - so we'll see.

B) Second; a web presentation for the rest of the world, with images, clips and literature. I'm not sure who could host all that data, and for how long, but I'll inquire about using our ftp site. If not then I can always buy a .mac account.

6.) Selfish stuff: I'm personally very interested to test Red's low light capability. I was previously obsessed with buying a Zeiss Super Speed prime set, but with Red's recent ASA tinkering I'm not sure if that's necessary any more. I have a single Zeiss T1.2 MKII 25mm which we could test against the Red 18-50mm if there's time.

7.) Should we call this TART - Toronto Area Red Test? Or TARC - Toronto Asshole Reality Check?

Anyway, I'll get back to you with some concrete answers on the above.
Cheers

Alex Boothby
 
Boothba said:
Whoa! How'd I miss this thread??? This sounds fantastic. A few points:



4.) POST - As implied above I'll look into getting Technicolor on board (they are already working with PS on post pipeline stuff). I can offer Inferno and Flame for compositing (green screen / blue screen shots?) as well as color grading, keying, difference keying, tracking, image stabilization, post slow-motion, etc. I'll see if we can get a Luster suit for the colour grade, but failing that we can again use Inferno. It might be fun to transfer a few shots to DPX for Walt to grade in the Spirit 4K suite. And... it's a long shot, but we might even be able to film-out some of the shots on the Arri 4K laser recorder for viewing in the PFA screening theatre. Which brings me to...

5.) FINDINGS / PRESENTATION. This could be dual focused:

A) First; a presentation in a suite or theatre for the local enthusiasts. Technicolor has hosted ASC meetings and industry piss-ups before so they may be convinced. I'll have to look into the proper screening venue - I'm not sure where our 2K projector went, but it would be nice to do it in a top-notch environment. I think our IMAX screening theatre would rock, but it may have to be held in a Luster or Inferno suite. Alas all of the monitors are HD and 2K - so we'll see.

B) Second; a web presentation for the rest of the world, with images, clips and literature. I'm not sure who could host all that data, and for how long, but I'll inquire about using our ftp site. If not then I can always buy a .mac account.

6.) Selfish stuff: I'm personally very interested to test Red's low light capability. I was previously obsessed with buying a Zeiss Super Speed prime set, but with Red's recent ASA tinkering I'm not sure if that's necessary any more. I have a single Zeiss T1.2 MKII 25mm which we could test against the Red 18-50mm if there's time.

7.) Should we call this TART - Toronto Area Red Test? Or TARC - Toronto Asshole Reality Check?

Anyway, I'll get back to you with some concrete answers on the above.
Cheers

Alex Boothby
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Maybe we can do this with the Toronto FCP User group as well. Nobody has announced when FCP will be RED ready, but an update should be coming soon.

I may be able to help with the hosting and the design of the web end of things.

David
 
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