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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

This camera IS a joke.

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Thank you all for the assistance and thoughts. I hope to have more success with this camera in the future, now that I realize it is much more high maintenance that we originally thought.

David
 
Make sure your DP learn it before he touches it HAHAHAHA.

The error codes where all troubles anyone who knows the camera could have told you guys about and it wouldn't have been any trouble at all.

There's no use in going into this again.

Would you have rented a 35mm camera without knowing how to load it?

A camera is a camera haaahaha you guys deserve the troubles you had.

Ohh by the way it is very well stated that it's still in the making and that's another thing both you and your DP should have known about.


regards,

Fredrik Callinggard
 
And yes that was an arrogant post but you guys clearly were arrogant when you approached this project.

Arrogant enough not to learn your equipment and then stupid enough to blame it.

Baptism by fire is cool with me but don't run home like cry babies if you can't handle it.

Your a waste of this forums time and I have no idea why I'm bothering to write this hahahaha
 
OK I'm sorry to lash at you guys like that but you're asking for it. Both posts clearly shows that you went in head over heels into this project.

For all you who were not there today.

His DP posted a thread were we all realized that they hadn't known what they were doing and disregarded the suggestion on having someone with experience with the camera during the shoot. Just as stated in this post.

They learnt the camera by reading the manual on the day.

I rest my case.

As said it's clearly stated that the camera is still not 100% finished and the suggestions of having a DIT on set was not for nothing.

I've been on a lot of shoots where I've had to learn the equip and I've never blamed the equip for my inexperience. You can say all you want about how experienced you guys are, but you had never shot with this camera before hence the word.... inexperienced.

I think there's a lesson to be learnt, never take anything for granted.

Kind regards,


Fredrik
 
Can you answer this simple questions please?

which build?
redcode 36 or redcode 28?
recorded to CF or Drive?
4k or 3k or 2k?
16:9 or 2:1?
ASA setting?
Tungsten lighting or daylight?
ND Filters involved, if yes how much, 1.2...1.8...etc.?
Which Shutter mode?

Did you use Redalert, Redcine or the proxies?
Which Redalert or Redcine settings did you used (exactly in the output/shot and Color tab?

To what codec did you export?
which colorspace: rec709, redlog, pdlog
 
davidjakubovic said:
This past weekend I directed a music video shoot. The DP and camera crew are a very experienced and extremely competent crew that I have worked with many times before. The DP who posted the thread called "is this camera a joke?" knows his work very well. THE CAMERA WAS A NIGHTMARE. The picture is gorgeous but at what price?????

My DP and I were both extremely excited to use the Red, but I was absolutely mortified at how much time was spent on dealing with it throughout the day. I am told "it's a very technical camera and you need to have a tech on set". Oh please. A camera is a camera. You turn it on, push some settings, click record and it is supposed to record. Then you click record again and it stops. That's it! This camera doesn't seem to know this workflow. Honestly, it is quite wrong for a camera to be out on the market that is so unreliable. I understand it is still being worked on but honestly, if that is the case, it should be very well stated that it is not perfectly ready for a real production. Why on earth do i have to spend extra money on a camera TECH when I have a DP, two AC's and a $15,000 budget that I need to use on making the video look good?

To all those saying that the previous post was over exaggerated, it was not. I WANT to work with this camera again, but only if it works. The picture is so great obviously that it is a huge advantage, but if we were shooting an actual scene with actors and emotions and had to break for 10 minutes between EVERY TAKE, then it would be much much worse.
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It is like buying a ferrari whithout having a driving license.....
 
weirdcrew said:
Don't bother. i bet he won't answer, neither did his DP. So much for actually want to learn the camera.


regards


Fredrik
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man i just want to help...i know which of the setting combinations i asked brings the best results and the easiest workflow...but hey you cant force people to let them help for free.
 
K.Berlin said:
man i just want to help...i know which of the setting combinations i asked brings the best results and the easiest workflow...but hey you cant force people to let them help for free.
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I know and it's very honorable of you and I would not have been so rude as I was if it wasn't for that it's just a repeat of what was earlier today. They're just whining.

(They did most probably try to shoot redcode 36 on CF cards etc. They hired the camera from a private owner and rented accessories from a rental. Didn't bother about having someone on set with the thought that they had all the experience in the world. As said.... a camera is a camera).

As stated earlier today by a very funny man Lewis - Pure DIVA BS.

fredrik
 
Why are you guys treating this troll like a legitimate poster? Look at the timing of this post, the nature of it, and that it comes from a first time poster. Both this thread and the sister thread are pure BS due to the timing alone. Shame on you sir, have you no decency??
 
K.Berlin said:
Can you answer this simple questions please?...
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I suspect that not only could he not answer any of the questions, but he probably doesn't even know what you are asking.

It sounds like these winners had an embarrassing shoot because of their lack of planning and think they are now taking it out on the folks who built the camera (which is a very weird choice).

I'm gratified that they are at least using their full names when they post. Like many film professionals, I have my little "list" of people who will strangely never find me to be available when they call. :-)
 
HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEYYYYYY IAMMMMMMMMMMMM QUOOOOOOOOOOOOTINNNG THE AC
YONI

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=11665&page=12

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In response to the post and responses:
I am amazed to meet (for the first time that is..) a community with such terrible manners. A quite humuristic posting is responded with nasty personal remarks about the crew, a lecture about Chaplin's history etc..Really ugly people ! Mr. Kelly and RGDfilms especially !!
I was the 1stAC on this shoot so it's clear. And these are my personal remarks about the Red experience to those of you who are interested:
90% of our problem were CODEC ERROR while shooting to the RED Harddrive.
No "DIT" would be able to fix that. Same for DROP FRAMES. In both cases we lost a take, 10-15 minutes each time for changing Media and reboot and off course the break of workflow, confidence and patience on everyones end: crew, director and talent. The bottom line here is that indeed you can use the RED only with a full on support, several drives, endless tests and restricted shooting conditions. Waiting on camera is a big no no for anyone who ever worked on real "commercial" shoots. As camera man I can't keep telling the director to take 15min break once every hour. I am being asked by various RED enthusiast "did you do hand held ?" well if that is a problem then we can continue testing in shooting flower vases in mum's living room. No hand held. No Jib / crane work. Yes we were a small indie music video shoot. No we didn't have the world at our feet. The rental house messed up with several simple things we needed. And no we don't work for Sony and that whole "brand name" competition is ridiculous ! Like Sony would even care about us..
And as for the RED company I have one complaint: We can't have a confusing online forum as the source of our knowledge. I downloaded the 13 build manual from their website and learned it by heart. It is very simple. But it has no mentioning of simple things that they must highlight rather then ask me to read into thousands of forum threads that unfortunately are filled with personal issues like here. They need to take responsibility's and add the warnings to their own site and to change their "Sexy-innocent" appearance to an honest professional one. I am a punkrocker and I got plenty of that in rehersal space. I don't bring it to film set.
(one more personal remark and I'll find you and stick my Gretch up y'r Arss Mr. Kelly )
List the issues per build on the site. When I download a manual that says "Build 13" I expect it to accommodate that and not be some general blue print for a future manual. I know you guys at "RED" work hard and I am like you very enthusiastic about it but honesty is important. To say here is important that rental houses (which are the middle man) behave the same and let you go experimenting without taking the proper support. In the Past when renting CINEALTA I would have the owner of the company available for me 24/7 on his personal cellphone. It was a small indie feature and he is one of the biggest rentals in NYC. He was there for me every minute. Just in case. RED goes on long weekends. Something to think about.
There is no mention of not having audio preview on camera. That took another hr of our time on set to figure there's none.
A system that has a DROP FRAME counter on the LCD is already a problem.
As mentioned before, the LCD would say "4k" when camera's screen would approve that we are on "4k2:1" . Again a little bug that messes the workflow and brings doubts as to what is actually going on.
We haven't lost any footage that was captured but have lost several takes as I said. If it was a narrative dialog shoot it would be a disaster.
The footage looks amazing no doubt, and the RAW possibilities are well know to me from digital photography workflow.
I belive that RED is the future of filmmaking but it is not the present. Thanks for all the people who have good faith and help makeing it happen. Some of us just cant afford to do that as we believe in filmmaking as an art form. Composition.Beat. Workflow. it's an orchestra not a tech lab.
Some people mentioned 35mm as equivalent. 35mm is a simple workflow. If a magazine fails on camera it is thrown to hell because it costs too much to give it a second try. We also need to make living and don't have time to spend mummy's credit card for experiments. Welcome to NYC filmmaking.
I will wait patiently for the RED to stabilize and I can't understand why people react with such bad manners. Shame !
Thanx to THEMUSIC and SYCOPHANT for being normal..
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THISSSSSSS ISSSSS A QUOOOOTE
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=11665&page=12

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P.S to visceralpsyche:
We indeed started with 4k 16:9 and only after switching to 4k2:1 the "RED" started working smooth (The LCD-monitor insisted we are still on 4K..)

Thanks,

yoni

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Dear Yoni,

The post was not humorous don't try to sell us that. You're jokes on set about the camera was, but only if told differently.

Your post is constructive. Here's something that can hopefully be resolved or looked into. The initial posts where just whining and not even followed through when people in the start tried to help out.

I'd also like to say that it being difficult knowing certain things because it can only be achieved by visiting this forum is a problem and was also widely discussed as one on the other thread. Please read it and you'll find that the discussion on that thread was mostly a healthy one.

As for the people having jokes on the behalf of you're DP and Director. I think that their approach in posting these threads brought that upon themselves and by not answering when people started to ask them what was up.... well... what to say more than who would take it serious.

Regards,


Fredrik Callinggard
 
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