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The rest of the movie...?

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im.thatoneguy said:
It had better not be because of the criticism the stills received. And I don't mean that as an attack on those who criticized it.
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I agree, though the 1K sample clip was received with much more favorable reviews. Wouldn't hurt to get the rest of it out there. :-)
 
Häakon said:
One can only hope that the Blu-ray authoring software becomes financially viable for end users like us sooner than later.
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Actually Blue-Ray with its miserable 6MB/sec peak bit rate is good enough for true DVD quality or at best for highly compressed 720p. Most Blue-Ray releases are poorly mastered and the average bit-rate out there is 2.5MB.
Releasing stills of 4K that were taken in the good settings is the way to go I think.
But then, I rather see it in RAW RAW converted to TIFF then RED RAW converted to JPG
 
If it makes you feel any better, it's only 3.75MB/sec for HD-DVD. :-)

Honestly, one could bash the disc formats forever as they're all highly compressed ways of getting OK-quality video into our homes. But they're the best we've got, and most people have been content with their MPEG-2 based, standard-def DVDs for years. A properly encoded Blu-ray disc looks worlds better.

Besides, what other format option do we have?
 
is there a link where the already released portion of the film you guys are talking about can be viewed?
 
Häakon said:
Besides, what other format option do we have?
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Well, if we use computers to play the movies RED RAW makes sense with its 27MB/sec

With holographic disks coming to the market even DPX will do.
http://www.arri.com/prod/digital/digital_systems/DIcompanion/apa.html#clip_preview

Most of the movies out there are stored in DPX format, why not to sell protected copies on the holographic disks and play it trough hardware decoder chip.
I guess my imagination is going to far….
Let’s settle on the RED RAW.
 
I think alot of people will view this also as there is something wrong with the product and it won't compress nicely. I think holding back on it is a mistake!
There already has been a lot of great press about it, let it go so the world can see!
 
Andrew said:
Well, if we use computers to play the movies RED RAW makes sense with its 27MB/sec
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Sure, except that most of us don't have a RED RAW codec already installed on our machines. :) Even if we did, it also means that we must view all of the footage on a computer monitor, and most people are going to want a way to distribute their RED-shot material to the masses for viewing on televisions. The max res of any consumer television I'm aware of right now is 1080, and the only viable format for 1080 distribution is Blu-ray (or HD-DVD).

Andrew said:
With holographic disks coming to the market even DPX will do.
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Agreed, but we've been hearing of holographic storage miracles for years now. Until we can actually purchase and use them, they aren't much good. :-\ (This is some people's argument of the RED camera itself, I suppose!)
 
love h264

love h264

If Red delivered it as a 1080p, using the same codec and data rate used by HD media (1080p movie trailers) at Apple's site, a 12-minute movie would only be 800 MB, and free from any distracting compression artifacting. It would also allow an easy comparison to the many samples out there that begin in the 35mm film world.
 
McDiver said:
If Red delivered it as a 1080p, using the same codec and data rate used by HD media (1080p movie trailers) at Apple's site, a 12-minute movie would only be 800 MB, and free from any distracting compression artifacting. It would also allow an easy comparison to the many samples out there that begin in the 35mm film world.
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Agreed.
 
Obendega said:
The HVX200 got a bunch of bad press when it first came out ...
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For those demanding the release of the footage...

A bit of a reality check here. He got it right by saying "When it first came out" Red isn't even out yet. How much HVX200 footage did anyone see a month before it's release? We've already seen 10x more footage, samples, specs than any other camera manufacturer would have shown at this point in their release cycle.

If you didn't make it to NAB, it is really too bad as it was an amazing experience which you only got a taste of with the sample. Also, you have plenty of us that you now know and trust, albeit digitally, who saw it and gave universal praise and excitement for feedback.

I know--easy for me to say because I saw it. But, you know what, I paid $500 just to see that footage, not to mention losing two days of work and time away from my family and I'm sure many others paid a whole lot more. Those of you who missed it had other priorities or commitments--but that's okay--you made your choice.

But now they *have* to post it for you? give me a break. Jim spent, what... maybe a million dollars, getting the booth ready for you, the cameras ready, put everyone up in Vegas, set up a screening room with a 4k projector showing footage shot by one of the worlds best directors to show you how the camera looks and performs and just because you couldn't make it he now *has* to get the rights clearences, and compress it into a 1K quicktime so you can complain about it--think about what we're asking.

They have a tiny team that is very busy trying to get the cameras to us as fast as possible. Any other company would have saved the enhancements they're making now for next years upgrade, but not Red--I've been following them from almost the beginning and I can count dozens of features and changes most companies would have held for version 2 or 3 or 10.

With Sony we get spoon fed technology--with Red--it's a fire hose.

Gibby and the other early adopters have promised to shake it to its core for us and I'm sure more and more footage will leap out as the early cameras start shipping: some of it good and some of it not so good--but all of it useful and informative. And maybe they'll get around to posting more footage, but maybe they won't--which should be okay, too.

We just need to let them work and if footage from the first 10 cameras, then the first 20, then the first 100 cameras don't give us enough footage to drool over, then we can ask for more--but for now lets let the tired geniuses work!
 
1) what makes most of us think that it is up to RED to release whatever they want .. i believe copyright is over with PJ ...
would you want your short released on the web ??
there was time & $$ put into it - they should get the most play out of it before it is released on the web ...
i went to a program of shorts this eve at the tribeca film fest and i would say the short could have life at film festivals ..

2) what makes persons think ( or hint) that the reason some thing is not being released is because they are perhaps hiding something , don't want us to see something ???
 
I'm pretty sure that Red has the rights to show the short now and it's just a matter of whether they want to or not.

I just think that it'd be really wise to show us professionally shot and directed footage to get us salivating for their camera. Instead of waiting until any joblo with cash has his hands on it and we start seeing shots of their pets running around in the backyard. Even 35mm can look bad if shot poorly.

And we watch movies on DVD (or HD-DVD for us lucky ones) and you can tell whether or not the acquisition was quality even at those resolutions... so in my personal opinion, having a 1080P h.264 version of the short would definitely show off it's potential. How many of us get a chance to watch 35mm in 4k? It's either projected (with "theater" handling, scratches and all) or on DVD/HD-DVD.
 
The latest RED deliverys are like Spring of 08 now??
They don't need to show anymore footage.
Jim is flying out meeting with top directors.
Trust me, once the cameras get out there you will
see more RED footage than you can download.
As RED ships and shakesout that will be the trigger for
folks who have not committed to RED yet. And look at what the
mere announcement of the RED pocket camera did. I have seen
dozens of people say "Whoa I will wait to see what RED is doing
next before buying that HV20"....so since I said you probably
won't see anymore of the Peter Jackson RED demo....
RED will probably release it tomorrow.
 
Thom said:
For those demanding the release of the footage...

A bit of a reality check here. He got it right by saying "When it first came out" Red isn't even out yet. How much HVX200 footage did anyone see a month before it's release? We've already seen 10x more footage, samples, specs than any other camera manufacturer would have shown at this point in their release cycle.

If you didn't make it to NAB, it is really too bad as it was an amazing experience which you only got a taste of with the sample. Also, you have plenty of us that you now know and trust, albeit digitally, who saw it and gave universal praise and excitement for feedback.

I know--easy for me to say because I saw it. But, you know what, I paid $500 just to see that footage, not to mention losing two days of work and time away from my family and I'm sure many others paid a whole lot more. Those of you who missed it had other priorities or commitments--but that's okay--you made your choice.

But now they *have* to post it for you? give me a break. Jim spent, what... maybe a million dollars, getting the booth ready for you, the cameras ready, put everyone up in Vegas, set up a screening room with a 4k projector showing footage shot by one of the worlds best directors to show you how the camera looks and performs and just because you couldn't make it he now *has* to get the rights clearences, and compress it into a 1K quicktime so you can complain about it--think about what we're asking.

They have a tiny team that is very busy trying to get the cameras to us as fast as possible. Any other company would have saved the enhancements they're making now for next years upgrade, but not Red--I've been following them from almost the beginning and I can count dozens of features and changes most companies would have held for version 2 or 3 or 10.

With Sony we get spoon fed technology--with Red--it's a fire hose.

Gibby and the other early adopters have promised to shake it to its core for us and I'm sure more and more footage will leap out as the early cameras start shipping: some of it good and some of it not so good--but all of it useful and informative. And maybe they'll get around to posting more footage, but maybe they won't--which should be okay, too.

We just need to let them work and if footage from the first 10 cameras, then the first 20, then the first 100 cameras don't give us enough footage to drool over, then we can ask for more--but for now lets let the tired geniuses work!
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I couldn't of said it better....
 
yea... amen brother

Thom said:
For those demanding the release of the footage...

A bit of a reality check here. He got it right by saying "When it first came out" Red isn't even out yet. How much HVX200 footage did anyone see a month before it's release? We've already seen 10x more footage, samples, specs than any other camera manufacturer would have shown at this point in their release cycle.

If you didn't make it to NAB, it is really too bad as it was an amazing experience which you only got a taste of with the sample. Also, you have plenty of us that you now know and trust, albeit digitally, who saw it and gave universal praise and excitement for feedback.

I know--easy for me to say because I saw it. But, you know what, I paid $500 just to see that footage, not to mention losing two days of work and time away from my family and I'm sure many others paid a whole lot more. Those of you who missed it had other priorities or commitments--but that's okay--you made your choice.

But now they *have* to post it for you? give me a break. Jim spent, what... maybe a million dollars, getting the booth ready for you, the cameras ready, put everyone up in Vegas, set up a screening room with a 4k projector showing footage shot by one of the worlds best directors to show you how the camera looks and performs and just because you couldn't make it he now *has* to get the rights clearences, and compress it into a 1K quicktime so you can complain about it--think about what we're asking.

They have a tiny team that is very busy trying to get the cameras to us as fast as possible. Any other company would have saved the enhancements they're making now for next years upgrade, but not Red--I've been following them from almost the beginning and I can count dozens of features and changes most companies would have held for version 2 or 3 or 10.

With Sony we get spoon fed technology--with Red--it's a fire hose.

Gibby and the other early adopters have promised to shake it to its core for us and I'm sure more and more footage will leap out as the early cameras start shipping: some of it good and some of it not so good--but all of it useful and informative. And maybe they'll get around to posting more footage, but maybe they won't--which should be okay, too.

We just need to let them work and if footage from the first 10 cameras, then the first 20, then the first 100 cameras don't give us enough footage to drool over, then we can ask for more--but for now lets let the tired geniuses work!
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