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The Real Truth About Red- Submarine Movie Shoot

Jon Schellenger

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Am I a Red Fan Boy? Damn straight! And here is why-

1st off. I have spent many months researching this camera, and reading all the different posts by everyone either for the camera or against it. I have always been a believer from the start.

All my life I have always wanted a movie camera that you could just about do anything with. I have wanted something that one day I could shoot something for television, and the next day shoot something that could be projected on a huge movie screen. I remember when I was 10 years old and I had a Nikon FG, I used to say, "Wouldn't it be cool if I could just hold this button down and this thing would run at 24 frames a second?" Then about 8 years ago, when I played around with a digital still camera, I asked the same question.

Jim, and your team- Thank you for making my childhood dream come true. I simply do not know what else is left to say. My life has changed, and it gives me something to look forward to. The hell with the Nay-sayers! I used to listen a bit to what they had to say because I wanted to get a well balanced opinion from each side. But now that I have physically shot with this camera on a real movie set, I will never listen to them again.

So- Here is the real deal with this camera, and my first experience with it.

We just spent an entire week shooting on a real WWII submarine located in Mobile. We will end up needing about 3 more weeks out there, but this was a fantastic start- and one hell of a shake down for this camera.

We shot in two rooms during this week. One was the Control Room (which I will provide pics) - and the other was the Conning Tower (nicknamed hell room- and I will also provide pics).

You have to imagine how damn tight everything was. You can't jump without hitting your head. Believe me, I know. I got so damn excited about a shot we did, that I jumped up and nailed my head on a pipe. He he.. Pretty stupid of me, but the shot was so incredible that it was worth it. : )

The temperature in the Conning Tower was an average of 105 degrees with 100 percent humidity. I knew we hit 100 percent humidity because it started to drip water towards the end of each of our shooting days.

The fan in this camera is incredible. The camera NEVER overheated. NEVER! It did get hot, but the fan was kicking some ass. The fan was loud at some points but it did not matter at all because once we started recording, the fan shuts off. This allowed for an amazingly quiet take. RED team & engineers- fantastic creation on dealing with this heat issue. Your fan works, and I love the design.

We used Arri Ultra Primes ranging from 14, 24, 28, 32, 85, 135. We ended up using the heck out of all of the lenses, however, the 32, and the 85 were on the camera most of the time while inside the sub. We were looking for a tight feel- and with those two lenses, we sure got it.

Lets talk about the focus for a second. I read a thread that someone posted about the focus issues with this camera.

From shooting mostly on prosumer equipment I must say that the focus was an ass kicker for me. However- I LOVED THE CHALLENGE!!! This is a no BS camera. If you want a real movie camera, this is it. The shallow depth of field is incredible. I simply love it. From reading that thread about focus today, they were acting like you can't really focus the camera using the 2x mode, the lcd, and a 720P external monitor. Simply put from my experience- that is horse shit!

We did it, and we had our DIT guy go through all footage and double check everything. Sometimes we slipped a bit, but the majority of the time, we were tac sharp.

With the Arri ultra primes, we were between a F1.9 to a F4.0. We had so little room that we wanted to use as much of the practicals as possible and just at fill. We sat at 2.0 - 2.8 about 75 percent of the time.

We used, measuring tape, the 2X mode, and would have the DIT / and camera assistants in our DIT suite (located two compartments further down in the sub), verify the focus on each take. We shot up to about 100 gigs on the drive, then handed it to Greg (our DIT guy) and he offloaded the drive. While setting up for the next shots, he would go back and scrub through all shots verifying that everything was safely transferred, and everything was sharp. Once we had the go-ahead, we reformatted the drive.

No doubt that focus is tough but it was so much fun checking and double checking. I really felt like a true DP doing his job. It was something very different and it was just like it would be on a real movie set with big gear.

We thought we would do some handheld shots on some scenes. With the set up I have, it was a bit rough holding that thing. It weighed 40 lbs and it basically was a sign that I needed to go to the gym. Its a good thing anyway, because the wife has been on my ass about loosing some pounds and building up tone!

Once the camera is on your shoulder, it really had a good feel to it. It felt very stable and comfortable. However, in the heat, I could not hold it for long.

I elected to get the Oconnor 2060 head and sticks. I must say it was well worth the price. I have never used a head like that, and I will never go back to anything else. No stepping, and the counterbalance system really kicked but.

The menu on the camera: I have heard many people say many things about it- good and bad. For me, I love the menu. Once I found my way around, I knew right were to go, and I felt they laid out the menu the same way my mind thinks. It really felt comfortable once I knew where everything was, and I was not afraid to dig around and play with some of the settings.

False color mode: Amazing- and I went back and forth into that setting almost as much as I checked focus. This thing really double checks your highlights and makes sure you don't blow them out. I was shooting for the actors' faces to be at around 50 IRE (mono-toned in the false color mode).

Gibby said it best about this camera- It is either as simple as you want to make it, or it can be as complex as you want to make it. Choice is yours. After shooting our first week with it, I would say he is dead on with that comment.

We had only two glitches the entire week.

1. I tightened one of the handgrips too tight and broke the knob. Not a biggie- but I need to be careful in the future.

2. We did have a few issues with the LCD monitor. I believe this was only occurring when the camera got hot- but I can't say that is true just yet. During the start of the day, everything booted up and was rocking. Towards the last third of the day, when things were at max heat, the monitor would sometimes come on after rebooting and sometimes not come on. No matter what, I had a magic touch and I could always get it to pop back on- but I can't tell you how I did it. I just fiddled with it and it would come back on every time. I know some others have had some issues with the monitor, but I know this will be fixed and worked out over time. To be honest- everything else functioned so amazingly well, that I just did not care. I knew I had the 720p monitor in an emergency back up, however, it never came down to that.

In summary-

This is by far the most amazing camera I have ever used. Going with RED has been the best decision I have ever made in this industry. JIM- THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. RED-TEAM- THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

No matter what happens to our indie films in the future- the most important thing is that we are out there creating, and for me, that is what movie making is all about. Dreaming, and trying to create and share visions. This camera is an amazing tool to help us all get our ideas and visions out there.

Pay no attention to the nay-sayers. They are a waist of time.
 
One more thing-

These pics I am posting- they are compressed and small so it is easier to upload. We also played around with some fun color ideas, because not only were we learning Red Alert & Red Cine, but we thought it would be fun to give them wild looks.

Here are some others.
 
Few more...

Oh, one quick note- The last time an actual sub movie was shot in an actual sub was in the late 50's. Everything else has been on a sound stage.

After dealing with the heat- I know why now! He he..
 
ops.. just these.. sorry. no more after this.. I promise!
 
Those look great! Any chance of seeing some moving footage soon?

Congrats and glad you're loving the camera. Can't wait to get mine!

Cheers,

Jim
Sydney
 
Very nice, thanks for posting the experience. I had a bit of reduser fatigue and then read yours and got all fired up again :)
Great energy.
Cheers
Coz
 
So, let me get this right, you have no previous experience with 35mm DOF before, and you managed to get all these properly focused clips with the RED LCD, the viewfinder, the focus assist and the commitment to keep it doing it until you got it right? How arduous was the process, would you say you spent more time filming than trying to get focus?
 
I will see if I can't get you guys some .R3D files to play around with. To be honest, it would be cool to see what "looks" you guys come up with.

I have seen so much work from you all, and I am always blown away with your talent. It would be an honor to be able to offer some of this footage to you.

As far as the focus is concerned: No I have had no previous 35MM DOF experience. In some ways you might say I have had a tiny bit with using a red rock micro adaptor hooked to the front of my JVC GY HD100. I have had a ton of experience with shallow depth of field for model photography. But that is it. No 16mm or 35mm experience. All prosumer cameras. That is why I was saying thanks to Jim. He has provided us all with a camera that has such amazing quality- and it is within our reach for the price.

I would say our ratio was around 4:1 on the takes. But that was due to all sorts of things. Me screwing up a tilt, or pan. The actors, or the direction. I would say out of all footage shot, the focus was screwed up about 5 percent of the time.

In a major motion picture I guess that could be considered a disaster? I don't know. However, I knew we had so much coverage and cut-aways that I was not concerned about it. I also felt that for my first time using the camera, I kicked some ass with only 5 percent. I will see if I can get that number to come down next time out.

Get this- I bought the FF4 before we went out to shoot this movie. In the conning tower it was so tight that I could not even get a camera assistant in there with me. So the director, who even had to mark the scene with the slate- Marked it, placed it down, walked over to the camera, yelled "Action!" and then helped work the FF4. He had never worked one before. He had never worked a follow focus unit before! It does not get any more indie then this.

But it was not a big deal. Usually the actors nailed their mark, and he nailed the focus, while I nailed the pan, tilt, or whatever. On locked down shots, I usually ran the focus pull. We pulled focus all ever the place- between actors, or whatever. It was totally fun, and it was a blast to do.

Don't listen to any BS when they say you need so much more to focus this camera. It is not true. We had the LCD screen, but that is insufficient. We used that primarily to watch for framing and to get us in the ballpark on focus. The real focus checkers were watching the monitor a few compartments further down inside the submarine. The would radio up to us and tell me when I was dead on. Then I would take it off the 2X mode, and shoot the take.

We ran a snake that consisted of audio cables, and a SDI cable from the camera. We ran it all the way to where the crew used to sleep in their bunks on board the sub. We called that the DIT Suite. In that room, we had set up two long tables. On the far left side was the audio section that consisted of a pro-tools audio rig with multiple track recording. Next to that was the JVC DTV-17 monitor that displayed the images from the camera. (We affectionately deemed it the "Visuals" ((From Star Trek..He he)). And to the right of the monitor was the DIT computer. It was a powermac dual quad processor with a cinema display.

So up in the conning tower, we got the focus pretty damn accurate and then we would call down on the radio to have the DIT Suite Verify the focus. After each take, we would call them and ask them if the take was sufficient.

To top it off, when we would break for lunch (which was really dinner because we were shooting on the back side of the clock all week), Greg would transfer all data off the RED Drive and then he would proceed to double check the shots in full 4k. He checked them to make sure they transferred safely, and that the focus was tac sharp.

Believe it or not, it was very organized and it was very simple. Just really damn hot!

In the middle of the week, I felt like we were honestly making a new version of a Das Boot.

Whether or not the movie does anything is not the point for me. The point is that we were up there shooting a movie in a real WWII sub. We were using props that were really used during the war. They were pushing the "fire torpedo" button which was really used- and which really sunk 15 ships during the war. We all were living out our dreams, becoming better film-makers. And that is what indie films are!!! The studios say, "No thanks, not interested." And we can say, "Okay, we'll go shoot it. Thanks anyway."

The last point I will make is a quick note about Tom. Tom is a retired submariner. He has been a volunteer on the USS Drum and has been working hours and hours getting it ready for us to film on. He has had Navy volunteers, and active Navy personnel helping. We used some of them as extras.

The incredible thing about Tom, was that he knows every single thing about a WWII sub. So he was watching the monitor and would call back up to us in the conning tower to tell us that something was fake, or not right. He would say things like, "Ralph, the chief would not be standing there when he makes that call out. He is actually over at the torpedo panel, and he would relay the order over to such and such. When he fires the torpedo, he needs to reset the lever. Never leave it open."

The accuracy of this project will be one that I feel retired submariners can appreciate.

Believe it or not, my full time profession is flying for NetJets. I have been a pilot since 1989 and I have over 10,000 hours of flight time. I do commercial spots, documentaries, and films during my time off. This is my first true "full blown" feature film.

I can't stand it when I see fake things done in aviation. I am certain that the submariners can't stand it either when they see fake things done on board subs. I respect them, and I respect what they went through. So being accurate is everything for me. I want to make this movie as real as possible. Our entire team owes it all to Tom! And our entire team, including Tom, want to make something really special for our audience and especially the retired submariners and active submariners.
 
One last quick comment....

I want to say thank you to OffHollywood- and to Plaster City.

These guys have given me valuable advice, and I just wanted them to know how much I appreciate it. Thank you guys! I look forward to seeing more of your stuff as well.
 
and the cam operator would wear a mountaineering helmet - might be a good investment for you too.

Or at least the Captain jon floppy hat. Cool pix Jon, look forward to seeing more.

Mike
 
Those stills look great... can't wait to see a video clip. Say hello to Michael Jacques for me, we've worked with him on a few projects in South Florida.
 
Thanks guys-

Martin, I will look at that again- but I have the extended version of Das Boot, and at first I thought that it was absolutely shot on a real sub. However, while watching the making of the movie on the extended dvd set, the stuff I saw shot was on a sound stage. Tom, the retired submariner who has been helping us, said that either "Run Silent, Run Deep" or "Operation Petticoat" was the last movie shot on a real sub.

I am very interested to know if this is not the case because that is one of the claims we are making is that nothing has been shot on a real sub since the late 50s. Let me know what info you have on that.

I agree about the hat guys- I just have to remember not to jump inside one of these damn things! : )

Facetmedia- What can I say about Michael Jacques... Hmmmmmm.. That is one funny dude!!! Just looking at him I start to laugh. I really have major respect for him as an actor, and apparently his career seems to be cranking up now. He is a fantastic actor, he is funny as hell, and he has really become a good friend. I can't wait to start shooting his scenes. I know his sequences will be something to remember.
 
However, while watching the making of the movie on the extended dvd set, the stuff I saw shot was on a sound stage.

Congrats on the movie! Great job and keep the footage coming.

Yes, Das Boot was on a sound stage but they did attempt to accurately recreate the sub with as many real parts as possible. And if I remember right they kept all the actors onboard for 3 straight weeks. So while it was on a soundstage it was a very real experience for those guys. To me it's the best sub movie ever and one of the best war movies. My version is the 5 hour cut. (5 friggin' hours. I thought it was a typo when I ordered it)

Anyway, there's absolutely no way Hollywood could have done what you guys pulled off for anywhere near what you spent. Your team and RED are a great example of the what they future looks like. :-)
 
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