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The "Pick your Brain" Poll

The "Pick your Brain" Poll

  • Scarlet 2/3" Fixed Zoom

    Votes: 22 7.2%

  • Scarlet 2/3"

    Votes: 22 7.2%

  • Scarlet S35

    Votes: 60 19.5%

  • Scarlet FF35

    Votes: 47 15.3%

  • Epic X S35

    Votes: 52 16.9%

  • Epic S35

    Votes: 8 2.6%

  • Epic FF35

    Votes: 63 20.5%

  • Epic 645

    Votes: 18 5.9%

  • Epic 617

    Votes: 15 4.9%
  • Total voters
    307
laboprod said:
Third, I want to record the whole sensor size, not a crop part of it. Why should I have a 36x24mm sensor if all I need is 25x14mm?
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Even if it was the same price as the FF35? I would rather have the larger sensor size just in case....

There is nothing wrong with crops. Everyone is already cropping with the RED ONE. Even at 4.5k you would still be cropping....
 
laboprod said:
Paul, Jeff, I totaly respect your point of view and mine might not be yet well considered...but
first DR will be better on monstro than on mysterium x, that is for sure, but how much is not yet a given fact.
Second, DR is important to me, but it there is other factors. Red One has already good DR so Mysterium X won't be bad.
Third, I want to record the whole sensor size, not a crop part of it. Why should I have a 36x24mm sensor if all I need is 25x14mm?

Thanks,
antoine.
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Well for a start the the S35 models do not compeletly cover anamorphic. 4 perf is 18.6mm, the 2:1 sensor of the S35's is only 15mm. The 24mm height of the FF35 would allow one to take a full 16:9 framing from anamorphic without cropping the sides as much as you normally would when using 35mm film which would be an improvement over 4 perf for TV work. Many S35 lenses will cover far larger than the 30x15mm lenses meaning with an FF35 your lenses can go even wider and you can select the maximum usable image... Because it's larger you're crushing out more noise when bringing it down to 1080p or 2K... These are a couple of things I could think of on the spur of the moment as to why I'd go for the FF35 sensor size rather than asking for a monstro S35.

Paul
 
Hey has anyone touched on the fact that their will be a sensor to my understanding at some point for RED ONE that will be S35mm Monstro. Please correct me if I'm wrong but i've heard Jim and company say that their would be a path.
 
Darren Orange said:
Hey has anyone touched on the fact that their will be a sensor to my understanding at some point for RED ONE that will be S35mm Monstro. Please correct me if I'm wrong but i've heard Jim and company say that their would be a path.
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Maybe though I'd be suprised if there's enough processing power in the Red One to perform much better than the Scarlet FF35.

Paul
 
Gunleik Groven said:
Really?

Most PL glass covers S35
Monstro has the DR.
Epic has the framerates.

Sorta makes sense to me :)
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That's true, but....

FF35, installed with PL mount, gives full sensor coverage for S35, meaning it's better for use with anamorphics and the equivalent of shooting 3-perf or a bit larger and not restricted to the Mysterium [X] "S35" that is a 16:9 aspect ratio.

There would be no manufacturing advantage or cost savings to the user if RED were to also produce a Monstro sensor at the current S35 16:9 dimensions. What Paul said above was correct as of 11/13, but as of the 12/3 announcement, the price difference between EPIC S35 and the FF35 model is $5K. And it seems that there is quite a bit more to offer by spending $5K more -- newer sensor design with more DR, larger sensor area to work with, higher frame rates... The downfall to waiting for the FF35 EPIC is just that, the wait. It could be several months or a year or more after the S35 Mysterium X model. So to me, the EPIC X for RED owners looks like a real nice solution, as does the Mysterium X upgrade for the RED One as an interim solution. While we wait for the EPIC FF35 and 645 models to ship.
 
Darren Orange said:
Hey has anyone touched on the fact that their will be a sensor to my understanding at some point for RED ONE that will be S35mm Monstro. Please correct me if I'm wrong but i've heard Jim and company say that their would be a path.
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Monstro for the RED One has been announced, but we don't have any specs for it. You could very well be right though. At one point, Jim said that Monstro for RED One would remain 4K, which would imply it remains limited to the current S35 dimensions. But it also seems that the R1 will retain most of its current abilities, which means it will probably still remain between the Scarlet and EPIC for functions. I think the achilles heel for the R1 will eventually be its internal processing power and what it can ultimately perform on the sensor data. Unless RED will make other internal upgrades to the R1, which is entirely possible, we just don't know yet.
 
2K crop from a RED one is fine. In nearly every case I see people complaining about 2K on the RED one is because they don't nail their focus. Most people's 4K looks no different than their 2K if you were to take a 2K crop out of the center. ...Just sayin' People down-rez their 4K. But many are looking at 2K in a 1:1 situation. Not good. 1:1 from a debayered image is going to show a lot more flaws. It's pretty tough to get full 1080p out of a 2K bayer pattern.

sharp 2K from RED:
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15256

If RED were to offer a S35 Monstro, it would be no different than shooting an S35 "window" on the FF35.
 
I too want a Epic S35 Monstro...
Or I could even keep my R1 and upgrade accordingly.
S35 is enough for me, but I do like the DR and REDCODE specs offered by monstro.
The FF35 for me would be like buying a Ferrari and drive it at 55mph :)
 
Ah, the budget is still completely up in the air. I'll settle with the fixed lens 2/3" if I must. But I'm really pressing for the S35 Scarlet and a red prime set... I just hope the primes are available at the s35's launch.

-Josh
 
For me
Scarlet fixed lens and scarlet FF35
 
i'm worried about ff35 glass and workflows. i want PL glass on my epic.
 
Red still hasn't made there PL primes yet. and now they plan to make mini primes,ff35 lenses, 645 lenses, and 617 lenses as well. your best off going with the professional standard so go s35 and use pl. i also want a s35 monstro.
 
im still stuck between the 2/3's and the s35 scarlet. if i can get the mini prime set for a reasonable price i prolly will go that way, if not it may be canon glass for me ....so many options not enough money to get them all :waaa:
 
Guys,

Whatever you can do on a S35 you can do on a FF35 the contrary is not true.
If 16bit is important to you (and it should) just get an FF35, there is absolutly nothing wrong with croping, and someday you may need the extra sensor around S35… anamorphic beauty.

Emmanuel
 
I'm dreaming of an S35 Monstro, as well. That's the (non-existent) sweet-spot.

Stephen
 
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