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The "Pick your Brain" Poll

The "Pick your Brain" Poll

  • Scarlet 2/3" Fixed Zoom

    Votes: 22 7.2%

  • Scarlet 2/3"

    Votes: 22 7.2%

  • Scarlet S35

    Votes: 60 19.5%

  • Scarlet FF35

    Votes: 47 15.3%

  • Epic X S35

    Votes: 52 16.9%

  • Epic S35

    Votes: 8 2.6%

  • Epic FF35

    Votes: 63 20.5%

  • Epic 645

    Votes: 18 5.9%

  • Epic 617

    Votes: 15 4.9%
  • Total voters
    307
The FF-Epic will be my next big RED. Dynamic range is everything and fullframe will be the future of cinematography. Great great idea and concept.

I little scarlet for filming my 9 week old gaughter will also go into the basket.
Sometimes you just want to have some fun.

Tim
 
tillHavis said:
Hi Paul ! I personally dont like the Red one form factor. To me the Scarlet and Epic seem like a new and improved design. I don't want to invest in two systems. I love the look of the Scarlet and Epic and feel this is a real camera design that can be built upon. To me the RED seems like a prototype, a good one, but still a prototype. To me the Scarlet and Epic are the evolution of this design.
For me the Scarlet S35 with the Monstro chip would be my preferred choice.
Why ?
1. A new form and design
2. A real modular design that looks like it is here to stay and can be built upon. Once again I do not feel this is the case with the RED one.
3. A S35 Scarlet Monstro would be useable off the shelf with all existing S35 Primes and lenses.
4. Monstro = increased DR.
5. The FF35 has 1-30 fps WHY ???? Ok we don't always use the extra frame rates but the option is there in other Scarlet models why not allow them in a S35 version ?? even up to 100fps.
5. Even at 4K, a Monstro S35 (16 bit) would be amazing and something to be reckoned with. I don't care if its Redcode 100 as long as we get a DR of 11+; 13 would be great.
6. Why limit the Scarlet by making people buy two or more brains, ok its more revenue but a new design and system needs acceptance.

Ok the Red has been accepted as a feature camera but the Scarlet and epic are a totally different different concepts, in that they are upgradeable and truly modular.

Give us a stonking great Model in each of the upper end Scarlet and Epic Models. Let us pay a little more if needs be. Then sit back and watch the sales pour in. I would be happy if the Scarlet S35 Monstro was between 10-14K once I knew I was getting a great camera with fantastic (16bit) DR 11/13 stops, and variable rates.

My 2 Cents
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Yes but my point still stands... Why wouldn't people buy the Red One body and upgrade to the Epic X S35 rather than buy the normal Epic S35 - You get all the extra bits and a slightly better brain for the same price!!!!

It's essentially a pointless product if you ask me since people would be throwing away money for the extra modules that come with it and getting a lower redcode 225 vs the X's 250.

Am I missing something here? Why would anyone buy it?

Paul
 
Jaime Vallés said:
If both came out at the same time, that's one thing. But the S35 Scarlet is currently scheduled for Summer '09 release, and the FF35 is scheduled for half a year later. Because it will be a new sensor technology (Monstro) my gut feeling is that it may take even longer than that. We'll have to see in mid-'09.

Also, the S35 Scarlet with Mysterium X should theoretically have greater dynamic range than the RED ONE, so that's good enough for me. :ninja:
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This is what impresses my most about the new Epic/Scarlet program Jaime, the ability to choose the setup that works best for you. I have no qualms about waiting a little longer for the FF35 because renting equipment as I need it, works just fine for me at the moment.

Investing in my own kit will entail moving to a completely new business model, so waiting for the right kit is more important to me than an additional 6 months of doing what I'm doing now.
 
This poll, if it accurately reflects purchases that will actually take place, is remarkable in the number of people saying they intend to buy a Scarlet S35, a camera body that's merely $2750.00 less expensive than the vastly superior Scarlet FF35.

We can't know the real price for a workable package, but guessing that the extra bits required will cost somewhere between 3K to 10K, not even including lenses and all the other required support gear, the slightly higher cost of the Monstro Scarlet seems quite insignificant.

Any business model that is dependent on $2750.00 to make the difference in success or failure is surely precarious.

Frankly, I think both the S35 Scarlet and Epic are very poor choices, unless the Monstro chip is much delayed or the difference in image quality is less than we believe.

If Red were to offer the same Epic X package deal, with a commensurately higher price of course, for the FF35 Monstro sensor, that would certainly be my trade in choice. Unless the delivery gap is lengthy and/or the quality difference is minimal.

All will be revealed in due time; isn't this exciting?

Good shooting and best regards,

Leo
 
Grug said:
This is what impresses my most about the new Epic/Scarlet program Jaime, the ability to choose the setup that works best for you. I have no qualms about waiting a little longer for the FF35 because renting equipment as I need it, works just fine for me at the moment.

Investing in my own kit will entail moving to a completely new business model, so waiting for the right kit is more important to me than an additional 6 months of doing what I'm doing now.
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I completely agree. That's the best part of what RED is doing with the modular system. Everybody has their own priorities when considering purchasing a camera in these price ranges. RED offers us choice, and that can only be a good thing. :sorcerer:
 
Leo Ticheli said:
This poll, if it accurately reflects purchases that will actually take place, is remarkable in the number of people saying they intend to buy a Scarlet S35, a camera body that's merely $2750.00 less expensive than the vastly superior Scarlet FF35.


Leo
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Well, I voted Scarlet S35, mainly because
1) I dont make any money doing this, so $2500 does matter
2) I shoot underwater, and the S35 is the cheapest option that lets me replace my Sony cam and my Nikon for U/W
3) I need wide field of view (ideally wider than the 2/3" may give me easily?) but also a good depth of field as I do wide-angle wreck & cave work, not really macro where a shallow DOF is good.

of course, that is all "speculation" at this point and funds may dictate that I have to go for a less expensive option (hopefully not)

Of course then I have to put $thousands into the housing as well ...
 
Hi Nick,

You surely have an expensive hobby!

Undoubtedly the Scarlet S35 would make an incredible "advanced amateur" camera. I suppose prices are all relative; there are many amateurs out there shooting with $40,000.00 Hasselblads equipped with thousands more in lenses.

I'm not so sure that 35MM vs. 2/3" sensor matters in terms of available angle of view; there are very wide angle lenses for 16MM that would work, as are the video lenses around 4.5MM. I'm not sure which would be less expensive.

Good shooting and best regards,

Leo
 
Leo Ticheli said:
Hi Nick,

You surely have an expensive hobby!

Undoubtedly the Scarlet S35 would make an incredible "advanced amateur" camera. I suppose prices are all relative; there are many amateurs out there shooting with $40,000.00 Hasselblads equipped with thousands more in lenses.

I'm not so sure that 35MM vs. 2/3" sensor matters in terms of available angle of view; there are very wide angle lenses for 16MM that would work, as are the video lenses around 4.5MM. I'm not sure which would be less expensive.

Good shooting and best regards,

Leo
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Thanks for the info Leo, yes my hobby is expensive :)

This is one reason I am going to RED/Scarlet though -- so far I have upwards of $15K into my stills and video setups (not including lights)

That "investment" essentially leaves me in a total dead end for video (FX1 cannot be upgraded) and somewhere dead in stills (I can change lenses but not much else)

As I say, currently I am just guessing about which config I will be able to afford or will make the most sense.

What I do know is that Scarlet is going to revolutionize my U/W filming, and looks like it will protect much of the investment I make in that equipment, so it seems like a win/win for me.

of course now I need a new Mac, and tons of storage to be able to work with the footage :)
 
So with 150 votes we have 250 selections. Which means that many people are planning to buy two brains. I reckon a large contingent of the S35 X buyers will go on to purchase the Scarlet FF35 or the Epic FF35 for the monstro sensor. There must also be quite a number of people planning on buying the Epic FF35 rather than trading in for the S35 X. The standard Epic S35 is the least popular of the product line up which was to be expected. Even the 617 has as many people choosing it and that's a specialized camera. The 645 also represents a specialist camera with slightly more popularity than the 617. The 2/3 scarlet isn't as popular as the fixed lens version and the Scarlet S35 has more popularity than perhaps expected but this may be due to the fact that it will likely be available before the FF35 and many newcomers to the Red line up see it as the entry level to a professional quality, it also has a larger sensor than the scarlet 2/3 so photographers will be drawn to it.

In summary... The time and availability of the camera combined with the upgrade offer seems to be dictating what brain people intend to purchase. I think things might be very different if the Monstro sensor brains were available at the same time as the others and the S35-X offer wasn't on the table.

Interesting stuff.

Paul
 
Scarlet FF35, very useful for broad range of 3d work (at a very affordable price). Hoping that they will switch the roll out dates of the S35 so that the Scarlet FF35 comes out first instead. They are close in price and yet the Scarlet FF35 seems to be a much more versatile system.
 
Personally, as of now I will only be able to afford the fixed lens Scarlet when it comes out. I don't know what the futre may hold. There may be a favorable financial situation to come my way that may allow me to purchase either the Scarlet S35 or the the Epic FF35. I would love to say that I would buy the FF35 Epic, I/O module, battery module, batteries, chargers, lenses, and other accesories needed for my first feature film. But my budget for the film is just under 10 grand, so camera package of that caliber will kill the entire project.

I am so excited about the prospect of shooting my first feature with a camera like Scarlet.
 
PaulClements said:
Ok people, I'm surprised this hasn't already been done yet so I thought I'd put it up. (If it has I missed it and apologise!)

I'd like to pick your brain as to which brain(s) you'll pick (See what I did there! OK it was lame I know :)).

I have some predictions but won't post them until later.
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If you don't post your predictions until after-the-fact, how will we know they're genuine predictions? :detective2:
 
I kinda agree Jeff... What people are asking for is essentially the FF35... I can't see sticking a S35 size monstro in there will make it any cheaper than the FF35. It's $7,000 more for a lot more DR.

Paul
 
Paul, Jeff, I totaly respect your point of view and mine might not be yet well considered...but
first DR will be better on monstro than on mysterium x, that is for sure, but how much is not yet a given fact.
Second, DR is important to me, but it there is other factors. Red One has already good DR so Mysterium X won't be bad.
Third, I want to record the whole sensor size, not a crop part of it. Why should I have a 36x24mm sensor if all I need is 25x14mm?

Thanks,
antoine.
 
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