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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

The Future of Red One

I hereby provide my projection of the price of a pre-owned 2012 Ferarri 458 Italia in 2016: $145,000.

But I don't own one, so don't hold me to it.

:-)

Stephen
 
Jon Carr said:
The only downside of the REDone is there is no upgrade path to Dragon, which will mark it's own demise. MX is a amazing sensor and the M was unthinkable for it's time. But People want to keep up with newer sensor technologies and forget the older one's short comings. It will still get jobs but just not the jobs it was worthy of getting a few years ago and not for the price. I don't see it stopped being used in the industry until the death of HD. So we still got some time left.

Personally I would like to see RED to turn the REDone into slow-motion camera. Throw 3 epics into that body and sell it for like 100K. Make it a RED phantom camera.
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Thats interesting man........
 
I actually saw a read one in the flesh yesterday ! Couldn't believe it ! Man it bought back memories... !!! And it was not that long ago I was shooting one.

It gave me a fright when I saw it though, I imagined it being so much smaller... How times have changed.
 
have you seen an Epic outfitted with a Pro I/O, battery module, and all kinds of camera accesories attached. The advantage of the Epic (besides all the image enhancements) is that you can take away all that stuff when you don't need it. Reality though is for a lot of projects you need that stuff. With R1 you just don't have the option of going stealth. On commercials, I find the camera is on some kind of rig (dolly, jib, tripod, steadicam, etc) most of the time. Camera size is rarely a problem. For run and gun, shoot from the hip folks, yes, camera size comes into play. I think it's good for cameras to get smaller, as long as they can interface properly with the demands of a set. no one will complain about lighter gear to move around. I did work with an AC recently who easily can scoop up a fully tricked out Alexa on an Arri geared head attached to O'connor sticks and carry a lens case in the other hand going up and down stairs. If you watch this guy work you realize there are men in this business and there are boys in this business. :-)
Now what it's doing to his back in the long run...
 
I wonder if, with almost 10,000 RED Ones in the wild, someone besides RED will give us a Dragon-esque sensor upgrade path? We may be the only people on earth who don't have a problem with the One's form factor (we do have an Easy Rig for hand-held) and I wouldn't mind at all keeping the One to make our next film. . . IF we can get more DR out of the beastie.

Stephen
 
Stephen Pruitt said:
I wonder if, with almost 10,000 RED Ones in the wild, someone besides RED will give us a Dragon-esque sensor upgrade path? We may be the only people on earth who don't have a problem with the One's form factor (we do have an Easy Rig for hand-held) and I wouldn't mind at all keeping the One to make our next film. . . IF we can get more DR out of the beastie.

Stephen
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I assume this won't happen for a variety of reasons, some of them legal.

What would be nice is the firmware update that provides RG3/RC3. I think that probably signifies the end of the line in terms of R1 development but you never know. The hardware inside the R1 is a few years old now, so at some point there's only so much you can squeeze out of that hardware.

Even if someone were to come along and want to change the sensor they would basically have to gut the thing and add other hardware and I would think at that point they would just make their own body.

The way I see it, the R1 lives on as the camera it is. It has limitations compared to other cameras now available. But if you can work within those limitations, you can still get so much out of this camera. It's certainly not dead yet. Just a little bit behind the pack now.
 
Steve Sherrick said:
I assume this won't happen for a variety of reasons, some of them legal.

What would be nice is the firmware update that provides RG3/RC3. I think that probably signifies the end of the line in terms of R1 development but you never know. The hardware inside the R1 is a few years old now, so at some point there's only so much you can squeeze out of that hardware.

Even if someone were to come along and want to change the sensor they would basically have to gut the thing and add other hardware and I would think at that point they would just make their own body.

The way I see it, the R1 lives on as the camera it is. It has limitations compared to other cameras now available. But if you can work within those limitations, you can still get so much out of this camera. It's certainly not dead yet. Just a little bit behind the pack now.
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Yes has the firmware update to RG3/RC3 been dumped for us
 
There's a pretty basic law of diminishing returns. I think in a year the MX will bottom out at about 8k, as the entry point to 4k RAW. There will be a ton of 2, 2.5K RAW cameras underneath it, and a ton of new 4K cams above it (pricewise). If you already own one, and still use it, why would you sell it? DR will be an issue, but it's a great camera, that will be shooting at least docos, music videos and commercials > 250k well into the next decade. It will probably still look ok when broadcasting has gone beyond 4k, as 720p does now. I can see a few desperation sales, or 'just get rid of it' sales at say 6k, but they will be rare. If you've owned one for a while, it probably doesn't owe you a cent.
 
ahhhh the ol' red one...
haven't seen one working in a LONG time.. I imagine they are on smaller productions/student film types.

great for its day
but GLAD things progressed and moved on..

the 90 second boot time was hellish on set
and the menus = a nightmarish stratagem (compared to the improved layout of epic/scarlet)

seems forever ago... but at the same time...not really..

time effing flys.. WHAT THE HELL
 
Considering I just bought a barely used Scarlet brain for $6,250 I really don't think 5k for an M sensor Red One is that bad a deal (for the seller). If you price in what it'll cost to MX it you can find entire MX packages ready to shoot without glass for 11-12k...
 
Brian Merlen said:
Considering I just bought a barely used Scarlet brain for $6,250 I really don't think 5k for an M sensor Red One is that bad a deal (for the seller). If you price in what it'll cost to MX it you can find entire MX packages ready to shoot without glass for 11-12k...
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The seller of the M I posted above claimed that the body came with a ton of accessories, so if we assume that its ready to shoot, its a steal for 5k and the first time I've ever seen one at that price. The cheapest MX packages I've seen on ebay are 15k + and they have tons of hours on them, where did you see 11-12k ones? I'm interested!
Also, thats a pretty good deal on a scarlet brain, but its useless unless you have all the modules to go with it; or did you get it as a backup body?
 
there's been MX bodies WITH tons of accessories going for 10-11k here, probably are some as we speak just go look in the camera sale section
 
Jeff Roberts, among others on this site, have sold and or brokered numerous Mx R1s for under $12,500 with everything but lenses...

In the last month the only one I have seen close with a buyer on Ebay went for $14k.. not more..
It had a knowledgeable seller who was able to inspire confidence in the bidders..

I see a pretty complete ultra low use M with enough gear to get you shooting (again, no glass)... closed for $9K

If you want an MX, and have $10K, I bet someone on this website will sell to you..

Which moves the price of an M way down.. since you'd spend $5750 plus transfer fees to MX it...
 
Yea you see a lot of deals on here, way better ones then ebay. As for my brain, I bought most of what I need for it, but truthfully my hands are tied until Red's Nikon mount is out anyway, I'd rather just wait a couple weeks then get third party is what I am currently thinking...
 
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