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The final resolution

Christoffer Glans

Christoffer Glans

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I've mentioned this from time to time in my posts when discussing resolution and how technology is advancing. That I don't really see the how the fight for more pixels, 4K, 8K and so on is the future ahead of us. I mentioned that I believed there will come a time when a new technology comes around that completely change the way we produce a digital image.
A kind of vector-based or organic-looking technology that works in digital but without a pixel count, more in the line of unlimited resolution.

This might be the first notion that it's coming in a few years.
http://www.philiphodgetts.com/2013/01/are-pixels-doomed/

I would actually be relieved if pixels die. I think that there's a "pixel hunt" that really sets the industry in a very awkward place where there's always conflict between each step in production. There's the shooting res, the offline edit res, the VFX res, the online res, the release res/print, the bluray res, the DVD res, the web-res etc.
Because there isn't a "standard" (and it's good there isn't), it's chaos and a lot of people don't know how to handle it. In television there's a lot of people who haven't even heard of 4K or they mix the term "high resolution" with "low compression" creating a lot of confusion in the pipeline.

As I see it, pixels are todays interlace lines, it's a mark for the current technology and a few years from now I think, and hope, that technologies like these ones really emerge and change everything to the better.

Just imagine the file size of a file when it's not based on individual pixels, imagine a codec that shoots RAW, with all the quality of Red today, but not based on pixels, doesn't that sound like the codec to end all codecs? The final step of digital images; dynamic range over the ability of humans, the color range of the human eye, unlimited resolution.

Keep in mind that I don't see this being a reality in a long time, but it's always fun to look a little further ahead...

To quote them something that I've said myself...
The result is a resolution-independent form of movie or image, capable of the highest visual quality but without a pixel in sight.
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You think today's discussions about which camera resolves to finer detail are contentious? Imagine the discussions about picture quality when software is "filling in" most of the actual image!
 
Terry VerHaar said:
You think today's discussions about which camera resolves to finer detail are contentious? Imagine the discussions about picture quality when software is "filling in" most of the actual image!
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Perhaps and of course, the brawls beteen interlace and progressive that's been around since, forever it seems, is an example of how new technology will not be the end of debates about picture quality, but this is as of now in development and the final result of such technology is something we have to wait and see.
 
Your post made me think of some kind of chemetry based, aleatory technology... Kind of how film worked.

Such a technology, wich would not use chemicals, would be great.

Pat
 
I think the next step will be some sort of matrix virtual reality plugged into our brain.
 
I was thinking that the boys at Red might be hard at work designing BLACK HOLE STORAGE to replace the SSDs, just stick one of those babies in your cam and watch it suck in all the light. Naturally, playback only occurs in a parallel universe.
 
Milano Questa said:
I think the next step will be some sort of matrix virtual reality plugged into our brain.
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Rumor says that Sony actually bought some kind of patent for an entertainment system based on this idea, but I don't know if it's true, I don't think you could buy a patent for a not yet-invented technology.
 
But it would be interesting to hear what Red themselves has to say about this tech, or at least the notion that this might happen sooner then we might think. In the 2020's this might be the working resolution in the industry and that's not so far away.
 
Some people at RED are reading this thread and having one of three reactions.

A. Falling out of their chairs laughing.
B. "Hey. That sounds like a good idea. Let's look into it."
C. "Oh, oh. They're on to us."
 
i thought of a vector based image theory and passed it by my dad. problem it is number of vectors is infinite and there fore the file size is too. it would be neat in a way tho. perhaps a vector for edges (would have to keep reasonable) and pixels for gradients... i just like brainstorming.

for future computers, how about an optical computer, using fiber optics and the photon instead of electrons for everything it does. computing at the speed of light.
 
Christoffer Glans said:
Just imagine the file size of a file when it's not based on individual pixels, imagine a codec that shoots RAW, with all the quality of Red today, but not based on pixels, doesn't that sound like the codec to end all codecs? The final step of digital images; dynamic range over the ability of humans, the color range of the human eye, unlimited resolution.
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If there is a sensor, there is limited resolution. Vector may help in digitally compressing "a shape" and may enable cleaner downscaling, but cannot add detail which was not captured. In this case it may avoid pixelization, but vector alone does not entail unlimited resolution/detail. (Example: Forest>Tree>Leaf)
 
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