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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

That Jannard is always right!

The sports world will dictate the mass take up of 4k TVs... not the cinema world.

I don't see 4k at home, for the masses, for at least 10 years.

4k cinema, on the other hand, will probably roll out alot quicker.
 
A lot of cinemas here in the UK are still having trouble funding the upgrade to 2K digital projection. I'd imagine the advance of 4K projection technology is going to be hindered by the economics for some time.
 
Except for high end tweeks and commercial presentation apps, trade shows, staging, etc, I don't think 4k will have much impact outside of theaters for at least 5-7 years. 1080p is just now getting penetration in the home markets.
 
It's ironic. We are aiming for 4K yet we are willing to watch (increasingly so) web video on stamp size screens. Let's not even talk about the resolution of web content.

Please don't get me wrong, it's just a comment on how we are willing to watch whatever is available irrespective of its resolution.
 
Ramesh Jai said:
It's ironic. We are aiming for 4K yet we are willing to watch (increasingly so) web video on stamp size screens. Let's not even talk about the resolution of web content.

Please don't get me wrong, it's just a comment on how we are willing to watch whatever is available irrespective of its resolution.
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Word.

But high quality 4k at 15mbps is definitely one of Red's most important developments going forward. Makes satellite or fiber based IP delivery a truly viable option for new art or coffee house cinema distribution circuits. Potentially a real boon to Indies for sure.
 
Which brings to mind... where is the thread about REDRAY becoming a broadcast distribution format? Shouldn't we at least be asking the question?
 
I think there might be a room for 4k screens at home when they reach a pricepoint that is affordable for the masses but not (yet) for 4k media as a comsumer standard. 4k of projected resolution onto a wall does not mean that you'd have to use the full huge screen for the movie. It could be windowed (in its native resolution) and there could be additional information surrounding it. But I don't see that the whole Hollywood canon will be remastered/rescanned at 4k.
...until proven otherwise.
 
It has been something like 7 years since the new ATSC standard was implemented and the changeover to 100% digital for over the air broadcast was just completed last year. Cable companies are still running about half their available bandwidth in standard def, as are the satellite services. HD in any form so far only has about 25% market penetration in the home. It took about a decade of wrangling before that to settle on the ATSC standards. I don't see this delivery model changing anytime soon.
 
Ahhh yes, I always forget about the "big and complicated monster" issue.

On the positive side, since we are already digital, future changes that where within the bandwidth could happen "faster".

Stupid world won't move as fast as I want it to! xP
 
Roberto Lequeux said:
Which brings to mind... where is the thread about REDRAY becoming a broadcast distribution format? Shouldn't we at least be asking the question?
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I don't think that's possible - I remember somebody from RED saying something about it not being suitable as a streaming format.

But never mind that - broadcast and cable TV will be irrelevant eventually as internet speeds increase. I imagine that RED 4K would work very well as video on demand over the internet, where you could buffer it for 30 seconds or something before watching.
 
Stephen Gentle said:
But never mind that - broadcast and cable TV will be irrelevant eventually as internet speeds increase. I imagine that RED 4K would work very well as video on demand over the internet, where you could buffer it for 30 seconds or something before watching.
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Agreed! Streaming ~12 Mbps (or less) to your 1080p plasma doesn't sound like it is that far off.

I am just saying 12 Mbps to be conservative. It was 15Mbps for 4k at RED day, but compression gets less effective at smaller resolutions.
 
Roberto Lequeux said:
Agreed! Streaming ~12 Mbps (or less) to your 1080p plasma doesn't sound like it is that far off.

I am just saying 12 Mbps to be conservative. It was 15Mbps for 4k at RED day, but compression gets less effective at smaller resolutions.
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It is currently technically feasable. In some countries where the internet infastructure is better off (Japan, Korea, Sweden) HD streaming over fiber is a reality.

I think we will see rollout of localized HD streaming soon. Image buying a house in a wired subdivision or a condo where there is a local content delivery server and your house is wired with fiber from the server to your TV. You rent/buy the content and it is piped into your living room from a room in your condo building.
 
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