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Ted Says Scarlet Is Good For Weddings

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Fixed lense doesn't bother me since in my market that is what we are used to. But that 8X zoom is going to kill this camera in a wedding production, especially when you are banished to the balcony of a church. 10 or 12X would far more desirable. :waaa:
 
I think specs with this camera are always subject to change, as usual..

One thing you are forgetting though is that this camera will be 3K. This believe it or not, does relate to the zoom factor, because with that much detail, your choice of shot naturally becomes wider (as you have more information to play with to crop in post).
 
I hope you experts can chime in about how this camera will fare for event based work.
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acehole said:
One thing you are forgetting though is that this camera will be 3K. This believe it or not, does relate to the zoom factor, because with that much detail, your choice of shot naturally becomes wider (as you have more information to play with to crop in post).
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And even more for weddings and stuff... Shooting 3K for DVD release is like having a 20x zoom! Of course it will always look sharper if you resize the full 3K frame, but I don't think a 2k crop for a full 3k frame will be that noticeable in terms of sharpness and even less for dvd release.
 
The biggest mistake a potential customer could make one year before delivery is assume all facts are in. Significant changes in design have been made this week in reaction to great suggestions at NAB. And be sure that we'll keep a few "biggies" close to the vest until the last moment just to keep it fun!

You've got a year to either work yourselves up based on a lack of info or begin planning on how you're going to use the coolest personal motion capture device ever introduced to the market. Your choice.
 
Push for wide angle

Push for wide angle

Big Jon said:
The biggest mistake a potential customer could make one year before delivery is assume all facts are in. Significant changes in design have been made this week in reaction to great suggestions at NAB. And be sure that we'll keep a few "biggies" close to the vest until the last moment just to keep it fun!

You've got a year to either work yourselves up based on a lack of info or begin planning on how you're going to use the coolest personal motion capture device ever introduced to the market. Your choice.
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First a question? Is the 2/3" chip the same size as a standard 2/3" chip on video cameras (which isn't really 2/3" inch in any dimension but was sized on making it compatible with lenses designed for the old 2/3" tubes.) In short, what are the actual dimensions we are working with?

Now my suggestion:
My push would be for a wider starting point for the on camera zoom. IMHO one of the flaws of ALL of the current consumer/prosumer cameras is they are not wide enough. It is MUCH easier to make a fixed lens zoom more telephoto with high quality telephoto converters than it is to make them wider because you have issues with vignetting and further degradation at the corners when trying to make it wider.

These days the "value priced" ENG lens for 2/3" starts at 7.6mm (~75 degrees diagonal) and the stations with bigger budgets and almost all independents will go with the 6.3 or even the 4.5/4.7mm superwides because more often you need the wide side in tight quarters where you can't move back, than you need the tele side. And again when you need telephoto you can easily add extenders that don't degrade things as much because on the tele side you are only using the center of the lens anyway.

I know it is a little more difficult/expensive to do the wider angle zoom, but it is a lot easier and cheaper to do it at the design stage and on the built-in lens than it is afterwards with add ons. 6mm or less would be great (5mm would be awesome). A 6-48mm zoom would be about like an 18-144 on REDONE, no?

And I think it would be a marketing advantage as well.
 
Traditional problem with shooting wedding videos is low light performance and at first glance a 3k CMOS isn't going to help there either, but we'll have to see what Red an make of that issue.......

^ I'd like a lens that's somewhere about 5-6mm at the wide end too. Over to you again Red guys.... ;)
 
ColinSmith said:
^ I'd like a lens that's somewhere about 5-6mm at the wide end too. Over to you again Red guys.... ;)
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I second this also. Wide is VERY important to me. However, I have faith.
 
I assume they'll probably make the lens a bit longer than 8x by the time it ships, but what about using a telephoto extender for the ceremony? I don't see a problem with that.
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Big Jon said:
You've got a year to either work yourselves up based on a lack of info
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I prefer flying off the handle like a raving lunatic at the mere suggestion of something I don't like, Its much more effective that way.
 
phaz said:
I prefer flying off the handle like a raving lunatic at the mere suggestion of something I don't like, Its much more effective that way.
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Well, put that way, it sounds like a lot of fun :-) Maybe I'll join you!
 
The camera is so small, you may be able to hide one on the alter, attach one somewhere with a Gorilla Pod, or have a 'wedding guest' (your assistant) sitting in the third row, shooting with one.

Heck, how about a Groom Helmet Cam?

Seriously though, I used to shoot weddings six years ago, so I understand your concerns. I may also humbly suggest that while I am in love with Scarlet, and you can use one for weddings, she might not be the absolute best choice for that. Swapping CF cards during an hour long ceremony is definitely possible, but maybe not the most convenient way to work (especially on a two camera shoot).

When I worked in that field, it took months before I'd start editing one wedding. (Couples often wanted me to wait until they got back from their honeymoon and got their photos developed, etc...) Storing 5 miniDV tapes was easy and cheap. Having 10 CF cards or a 500G hard drive tied up while you wait can be more frustrating.
 
AquaVideoRed206 said:
My push would be for a wider starting point for the on camera zoom. IMHO one of the flaws of ALL of the current consumer/prosumer cameras is they are not wide enough. It is MUCH easier to make a fixed lens zoom more telephoto with high quality telephoto converters than it is to make them wider because you have issues with vignetting and further degradation at the corners when trying to make it wider.
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NAILED IT. Zoom factor is for stickers that sway ignorant point-and-shoot buyers. Wide angle is truly useful for WAY more situations than zoom, which those same unfortunate buyers inevitably find. As depicted, Scarlet is a very small camera, not something you're going to be holding stable on your shoulder. Massive amounts of zoom? Worthless.

I would argue that a camera like Scarlet needs wide angle even more than larger cameras do, simply because of the places it'll be deployed: vehicles, tight spaces, POV rigs. Long telephoto isn't worth a damn in any of these applications. Nor is it worth anything in discreet indoor shooting, family gatherings, indoor sets... I doubt it'd be worth much underwater either (some of the experts can weigh in on that).

The point about the quality of aftermarket adapters is good too. The wide-angle ones suck, period. Totally unacceptable.

These things are supposed to have wireless control. Wedding photogs can mount one on a church fixture up front, bump the data rate down a little for plenty of recording time, and trigger it when the bride & groom get up to the altar. At the same time, use a second camera to get the shot that isn't easily achievable today: From behind and above the couple and priest/rabbi, looking out over the crowd with the couple in the foreground. What do you need for that? Wide angle and a discreet camera.
 
I'm yet to meet the bride who would like to see herself resolved at 3K :-)
Time to break out the filters and know down that detail.
 
There was an article about 2 years ago in the NY times or some such paper about all the on camera talent having to go get them selfs fixed up or having work redone because of the stark reality of the HD image.
 
yeah seriously, and porno stars are usually tore up from the floor up to begin with, so HD is definitely going to be rough on a lot of porn stars.

Having said that, some of the European porn studios like MET or Private have some young Swedish babes or whatever that might pass the 1080p test. :) I think I will have to get some porn blurays for "research" purposes.
 
The only way that the Scarlet camera will be good for weddings or other event video production is if it has VERY good low light sensitivity, inexpensive memory cards, and a zoom that is 12x at the very minimum.

Most weddings resolve to a low-light situation by the end of the day, if not before. With weddings, ambience is everything. Candlelit ceremonies and receptions are very common...especially when you are in some carpeted dungeon...ahem, I mean banquet hall in a hotel.

As most wedding videographers will attest, a camera is worthless without great low-light sensitivity. Without it the colors get nasty, noise destroys images, focusing is impossible, and all chance for a quality product sink like a rock.

It is not hard to get beautiful images with even consumer cameras when there is plenty of light. It is when the light starts to steal away that a camera really showcases its ability for event videographers.

If my current cameras had a 3k image and an 8x zoom they wouldn't be in my arsenal. 8x really limits creativity! In an environment where you have to be unobtrusive, 8x zoom is not gonna cut it.

It's not always about proximity to the subject(like you could just zoom in on the 3k image), it comes down to the beautiful DOF that is created by the longer zooms. It is the strongest tool for those who want to try and transcend the flatness of video and try to make poetic images.

If this is a fixed lens product, then an 8x zoom is even more unappetizing.
 
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