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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

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Hi,
At your budget range I think HP dreamcolor with HP calibration tool kit is the best bet.
We use it with Display port out from our Quadro5800 thru Scratch and have acheived good results.
I hope it help.
Thks
(Check out creativecow for HP Dreamcolor preview)
 
I like my Flanders Scientific monitor but use a Panasonic plasma for black level since the blacks are impossible to get right on without throwing everything else off. Careful with off axis viewing too since a few degrees make a big difference. The built in scopes are great.
I was very impressed with the TV Logic monitors too but they are pricey.
 
Hi! :)
I´ve graded TV commercials on a 40" Samsung TV. Dvi-hdmi directly from Mac pro. So far it has looked good on TV, but is this overly risky and/or totaly wrong?
Is the use of all the diferent I/O cards, adapters and expensive monitors primarily for cinema grades or do you think its necessary for web/TV grades too?

Mathias
 
monitors

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I use a DreamColor LP2480zx 12bit display thru displayport for the Scratch workspace and a Panasonic 2550 as client, and a regular $1k Panasonic 42" plasma for framing reference ( color/contrast looks better than expected )
Leader 5750 instrument.

This works just fine for us

Gaston Fazio
 
For any display, calibration is critically important.

There have been various posts on this, but I would suggest looking at our LightSpace CMS. One of the most effective colour management systems out there - even if I do say so my self.

Whether you go with LightSpace, or another CMS product, do make sure it's a professional system, and can generate 3D LUTs - unlike may of the consumer systems out there.
 
Any updates ??

Any updates ??

Old thread ... but a very important discussion !!

HP Dreamcolor seems to be gone from the picture as it cannot be found anywhere.
What are real color grading alternatives today?
 
the dell U2410 seems very interesting. I think coupled with a Matrox MX02le it should produce good results for less than 2k. !0 bit panel with the ability to be calibrated through the Matrox. Further more there is no need for converters as the Matrox outputs 10 bit over HDMI. Once they settle their thunderbolt support it should be very well worth considering. What do you guys think?
 
Mathias Erichsen said:
Hi! :)
I´ve graded TV commercials on a 40" Samsung TV. Dvi-hdmi directly from Mac pro. So far it has looked good on TV, but is this overly risky and/or totaly wrong?
Is the use of all the diferent I/O cards, adapters and expensive monitors primarily for cinema grades or do you think its necessary for web/TV grades too?

Mathias
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Yes, that's wrong. You have no way of judging if your TV is set up correctly or is receiving the correct signal. The reason we use in/out cards is they have proper connectivity and deliver consistent calibrated colour using a wide variety of codecs. There are a number of workflows for cinema, but ultimately you will judge your grade on a cinema screen, not a TV monitor. For web, use a calibrated computer monitor - there are lots of cheap tools available to help calibrate computer monitors; Spyder3, Colormunki, Pantone etc.
 
I can't find any guarantee that the Dell panel is a 10 bit display - 8 bit is mentioned in a couple of places, with 'dithering' to enhance colour representation...

Colour processing is 12 bit but if the display is only 8 bit that's not a lot of help.

Also, graphics card calibration is NOT able to perform gamut control, as the VCGT is 1D LUT based only. For 'real' calibration you need 3D LUTs (see LightSpace CMS on the Light Illusion website for more info on this).

The only way to perform real calibration for professional applications is to use a monitor with 3D LUT capability built in, or an external LUT box - HDlink Pro, Pluto, Davio - with an external calibration system (LightSpace CMS) and a good probe - the new i1 Display Pro is great value, and very accurate...
 
Also any one see of know about these displays yet, apparently speced with advanced color controls for broadcast line up and has 3D support.

Panasonic Launches TH-65VX300U Professional Plasma Display
New 3D-Ready Display is an Ideal Solution for Post-Production Editing and Home Theater
 
Steve Shaw said:
The only way to perform real calibration for professional applications is to use a monitor with 3D LUT capability built in, or an external LUT box - HDlink Pro, Pluto, Davio - with an external calibration system (LightSpace CMS) and a good probe - the new i1 Display Pro is great value, and very accurate...
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Steve knows what he's talking about here.

I know of a major, big-time post house here in LA that is running 12 (count 'em) Panasonic 50" Plasma 20-series displays with Cinetal Davio boxes, doing million-dollar network and cinema projects every day of the week. Total cost for each system I think is about $10K, which is pretty cheap as this stuff goes. 32" CRT HD monitors used to cost about $40,000, not too long ago. VTP in LA is one of many retailers that will sell Panasonic plasmas and the Davio box as a package.

I personally think 65" is a little crazy-big for an average, medium-sized control room. Anything bigger than that, I'd say go with a projector.

BTW: the real trick is to have the right calibration tools, and the knowledge to use them. And also how to keep the display 100% consistent day-to-day.
 
Anyone used or heard about the Autocue T series monitors? ... They are SDI monitors ...
 
Marc Wielage said:
Steve knows what he's talking about here.

I know of a major, big-time post house here in LA that is running 12 (count 'em) Panasonic 50" Plasma 20-series displays with Cinetal Davio boxes, doing million-dollar network and cinema projects every day of the week. Total cost for each system I think is about $10K, which is pretty cheap as this stuff goes. 32" CRT HD monitors used to cost about $40,000, not too long ago. VTP in LA is one of many retailers that will sell Panasonic plasmas and the Davio box as a package.

I personally think 65" is a little crazy-big for an average, medium-sized control room. Anything bigger than that, I'd say go with a projector.

BTW: the real trick is to have the right calibration tools, and the knowledge to use them. And also how to keep the display 100% consistent day-to-day.
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Your right, and I think calibration is more important than the device it self. Steve lines our monitors up and I have the highest respect for him.

Im hoping to get one of the new displays in to check out. We use the Pana series for both 2D and 3D at the moment. the new tools for line up will be a huge benefit, I not yet sure if we will ditch out LUT boxes but I think this will be a big step forward. I wish there were 42 and 46 and 50 inch versions available.
 
I had the opportunity to attend a symposium on reference monitors recently and got a good look at the leading contenders.

Dolby has a 42" 12bit display with extended dynamic range that raises the bar, of course it's rather pricey... :-(
http://www.dolby.com/professional/products/monitors/professional-reference-monitor-prm4200.html

Sony is doing OLEDs for the pro market that have amazing black levels but they are also expensive and AFAIK only available in 24" or smaller sizes...

TV Logic, Flanders, Boland, Marshall, etc all have professional solutions at various price points and sizes. Depending on how you like to work, whether you have a stand alone scope, outboard LUT box, how you intend to manage calibration, etc may be as important to selecting a display as the image itself. IMO, only the Dolby and Sony OLED are state of the art.

If you have the physical space and a non-contact probe calibration plan (in house or by hire) then the Panny Pro plasmas are the best bang for the buck, as proven by their penetration into the post community. If you expect to have more than one person looking at the same monitor on a regular basis, the off axis viewing properties of the plasmas is a HUGE plus.

Sorry to hear that DreamColors are hard to find. For situations where a plasma is impractical I still consider it the best option under $2,000 USD.

Cheers - #19
 
Blair S. Paulsen said:
Dolby has a 42" 12bit display with extended dynamic range that raises the bar, of course it's rather pricey... :-(
http://www.dolby.com/professional/products/monitors/professional-reference-monitor-prm4200.html
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$40,000, when last I checked. But it's very good.

Sorry to hear that DreamColors are hard to find. For situations where a plasma is impractical I still consider it the best option under $2,000 USD.
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Note that HP is getting out of that business, as announced a month or two ago. And the DreamColors still have the problem of bad off-axis viewing. They're great for VFX and animation artists sitting directly in front of the monitor, but bad if more than two people need to see the monitor.

The Panasonic Plasmas are not perfect and do have some issues. But good or bad, they seem to be quickly becoming the HD standard here in LA.
 
All plasmas out of the box are indeed well over gamut...

With 3D LUT based calibration they can be brought into accurate range, and can then be rather good... except that they all suffer with the power management issue.

If you can deal with the power management issues, and have the tools for accuarte calibration ( I would obviosuly suggest LightSpace CMS, a probe - i1 Dispaly Pro - and a 3D LUT box - HDlink Pro) they can be rather good.
 
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