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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Stupid question about setting LOOK

I would keep the camera between 320-800. It's a big sweet spot. You can go above that (I wouldn't ever go below 250) but below 800 is the clean, "noise-free" zone. You can get really good images above that, even without need for noise reduction.

If you do want to get crazy with your on set looks, and you're mostly exposing by eye, you obviously want to do as little as possible to your brightness and contrast type adjustments, as they will present you with an unrealistic view of what you're getting (or not getting!). Once you get a feel for it, you'll be able to adjust looks with more confidence. All that being said, I agree with Mark's approach. I like to see what I'm getting and as I've always worked digitally and primarily do post-production work anyways, I'm very used to "flat" images and know exactly where I can take them. It sounds like you're having fun and testing, so I'm sure you'll figure out what works best for you.

And by the way, there's no stupid questions here, and no reason to think so. In fact, this is a very good discussion to have as it is constantly evolving with the new technology... not the first time this has come up, there's about a thousand styles to shoot this camera and most of them are quite legitimately reasoned and executed.
 
paulherrin said:
I would keep the camera between 320-800. It's a big sweet spot. You can go above that (I wouldn't ever go below 250) but below 800 is the clean, "noise-free" zone. You can get really good images above that, even without need for noise reduction.

If you do want to get crazy with your on set looks, and you're mostly exposing by eye, you obviously want to do as little as possible to your brightness and contrast type adjustments, as they will present you with an unrealistic view of what you're getting (or not getting!). Once you get a feel for it, you'll be able to adjust looks with more confidence. All that being said, I agree with Mark's approach. I like to see what I'm getting and as I've always worked digitally and primarily do post-production work anyways, I'm very used to "flat" images and know exactly where I can take them. It sounds like you're having fun and testing, so I'm sure you'll figure out what works best for you.

And by the way, there's no stupid questions here, and no reason to think so. In fact, this is a very good discussion to have as it is constantly evolving with the new technology... not the first time this has come up, there's about a thousand styles to shoot this camera and most of them are quite legitimately reasoned and executed.
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Thanks a lot Paul! Great info here!
 
anytime. i should also add that if you're not using false color... you should be! it's awesome, along with the other exposure tools.
 
since no one has mentioned it - if you're twiddling with an in-camera look setting -

shoot a test shot of your subject - take it into REDCINE to set the look - import that look into the camera

trying to set a look off the onboard monitor in-camera isn't the way to go, to start - set it in REDCINE with a large monitor where you can see how your adjustments are affecting your footage...then export that look to the camera. the options in REDCINE match the options in the camera -

but mostly, I agree with Toia - shoot flat and you get the best possible starting point to color your frames...just saying that if you are going to fiddle with looks, do it in REDCINE first, where you can see the outcomes in advance...
 
paulherrin said:
anytime. i should also add that if you're not using false color... you should be! it's awesome, along with the other exposure tools.
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Of course! Love it.. Just back to my original post, if you screw with your look too much you will be exposing for your look via false color..

I think the moral of this thread:
-Keep it clean with your look via in camera look modification..

-If doing major looks, set your shot via raw, and use RED cine X to get you in the ball park. Then save that look to camera.

-Always check your RAW before pressing record

-Light as you would with FILM, don't light with your ISO or change stop just to get an exposure.. Aka, light with lights..

-Trust your tools but light with your experience..

Am I missing anything?
 
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