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Stock Video/Timelapse Question

Enzo said:
Hell, I'll give you $1K each and then put them with my stock agent and make my investment back 10+ times in 4-5 years.
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Wow, we might be able to strike up a deal here! :)

To be honest, I'm not that proud of these clips. All I see are the flaws. I'm 100% self taught when it comes to timelapse (a lot of trial and error), and it seems like every time I shoot a new one, it gets better. That's why I am willing to part with these.

Plus I don't like the whole business side of art in general, so it's easier for me just to do a one-time deal. I do appreciate everyone's input very much. I'll have to give it some thought.

My main goal is shooting 20-40 really awesome timelapses for my first feature, but none of the shots I have already are that great, IMO. For me it's just been a hobby and a learning experience.
 
I have nothing really to add, except...

Holy Crap, Tom... Dude... your timelapses are amazing! I can definitely see why he would want to buy them. Those shots have "Red Funding" written all over them.

Shots like this could turn into a nice annuity--even funding the Mini-Red, not to mention plenty of accessories.

Again--nice work--really, really, nice work.
 
Enzo said:
Tom,

I would not sell these shots outright unless the price is right (see below). You have gone to a lot of trouble to produce these and they are very good.

What if you were injured and could not re-shoot them for a while?

I think you should ask for $1000.00 per clip for up to 10 sec. for one time non-exclusive use in one music video. If he comes back and wants to use them again give him a 25% discount on the 2nd use fees.

If he really wants to own them and you are willing to let him have them (don't do it man).... Then I would ask for $10,000.00 per 15 sec. cilp... that is what an agent would ask for and that is a cheap price to own these very fine shots.

Hell, I'll give you $1K each and then put them with my stock agent and make my investment back 10+ times in 4-5 years.

I get a nice check every month for shots I did 10-15 years ago.

Call one of the stock agents in LA and ask them before you do anything you will regret....

Unless you want to sell them to me and then I will deal with him..... And yes, I'm serious. PM me if you want to discuss.

Steve
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I am with Enzo.

1. Your footage IS really good one, no doubt! (kind of NG, Discovery, IMAX level)
Dont underestimate yourself. If somebody well-known is contacting you and want to buy your footage,
then I am really sorry but you are in rank of PRO artists and so is your footage!!!

2. ABSOLUTELLY ALWAYS make good and exact content licence agreement (because now you are PRO artist :wink:)
so you can ALWAYS benefit from it in future and sleep well (dont forget specify penalty for misuse, etc...)
- learn and ask how other huge stock companies do it:
http://www.gettyimages.com/Corporate/LicenseInfo.aspx
http://www.gettyimages.com/Corporate/LicenseAgreements.aspx#
http://imagery.gettyimages.com/pdf/footage/RR_footage_pricingPDF_lores.en-US.pdf
http://www.corbismotion.com/About/Legal.aspx
http://pro.corbis.com/creative/terms/content/en-us/Certified_EULA_v1.0.pdf
http://www.creatas.com/legal.aspx

3. You can find some price range if you act like music video director or producer and simply ask at other stock companies for cost estimate (but only at best ones in your case :wink:)
http://www.gettyimages.com/Footage/FootageHome.aspx
(you can see prices after registration)
http://www.corbismotion.com/SectionFronts/Contemporary.aspx
http://www.istockphoto.com/file_sea...bleLoupe=1&order=Best+Match&perPage=&within=4


4. ... sometimes you will find that is hard to repeat yourself and make that good footage or better again :wink:


5. I think that you can hardly find same quality footage at stock, so price should be higher :wink:
 
Jim Arthurs said:
Over the years there's only been a handful of the hundreds of timelapse clips I've got on the market that I wouldn't be tempted to sell outright if the money was decent... I don't know the specifics of your content, but in my case even the "above average" sunset/sunrises in my collections tend to come around again and again where I live.
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Yeah, we're spoiled around here with nice sunrises and sunsets. :biggrin:

I haven't really shot much stock, so maybe there isn't as big of a market as I'm imagining. But the little bit I have shot, I haven't had much trouble finding an outlet for it... The night timelapse shots that Tom has are the real gems. I'm still trying to refine my technique to get results that look as good as his. Not to mention, it's hard to get away and find the right spot. You really have to be in the middle of nowhere to not have other light interfering with your shoot.

I think you're on the right track... sell 'em and just go do them again... ain't that the fun part anyway?
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Yes, if the money is right. For some of those shots you have, $1K may be a bit low. But it all depends on what you can live with and who you find for a buyer and all that.
 
Tom,

Another option would be to sell him unlimited rights forever to the footage and exclusivity for, say 3 years or so, but you still retain the copyright and ownership.
That way he can use it whenever and wherever he wants, but you would still be able to sell it again after the exclusivity time frame is up.

Usage rights are a pain, but there are ways to make it a win win scenario.

Sounds like a good opportunity though regardless of what you decide to do.

Greg
 
Tom said:
Plus I don't like the whole business side of art in general......
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Understood mate but don't sell yourself cheap my friend. You work is very nice. Making my short films I see them over, and over and over again. I see all the flaws the same as you BUT other people don't.

Best of luck whatever you decide mate.

Best.
Mark
 
Canon Rebel XT DLSR with a 10-22 EFS lens.
 
Tom the stuff looks outstanding. You should look into the new 40D It has a perminant mirror lockup mode that would be perfect to tlapse.

_mike
 
As an annotation to this thread, it turns out that the director actually saw my timelapse clip here on Reduser! I won't out him, in case he wants to retain his lurker status, but needless to say, there are more industry people checking out these forums than we think.

He paid me $1,000 cash for two short clips (one-time use only), and they will be featured in an upcoming Sony BMG video.

Now I am really inspired to get some of my timelapses up on a stock website. Can you guys tell me which stock house you think is the best for selling timelapse clips? I'm looking for a site with great technology, good people, and the most traffic.

Thanks!
 
haha, yeah, I saw some of HD for Indies stuff up there too! Vuse is pretty cool. I actually thought the director had seen my stuff on Vuze, but he told me in an email he saw it here. :)
 
Hey guys,


Pond5 accepts raw .r3d files. Anyone who has some b-roll on the side or is planning to shoot some in the future - you can upload your work and earn 50% of each sale.


Check out our current R3D footage:
http://www.pond5.com/stock-video-footage/1/r3d.html


If interested in getting your footage on our site, shoot me a message.


Ben
 
the good thing about red one footage is.. its straight jpeg2000 .. so you should point this out as a selling point

epic is j2k minus some metadata , so standard decoders don't work
 
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