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State of Cinema - Continued

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Opening a new thread for Humberto (and others) to share his/their thoughts, observations and experiences with film and cinema over the years. It follows on from the recently closed thread here - http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?99172-Steven-Soderberh%92s-State-Of-Cinema-Talk

Thanks for your contributions Humberto, I don't follow closely everything you write, but I've found some of it interesting enough to hope it continues, even if just as a side-interest to the main purpose of my visiting the forums here.
 
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Gentlemen,

Please feel free to continue your discussion, thoughts, etc on cinema in this new thread.

Threads get closed sometimes.

Cheers,
Battistella
 
Les Hillis said:
In any case, a newly titled thread in this section, instead of the 'Cinematography' section, is probably more appropriate if Humberto does want to (and is allowed to) continue with that more blog-style kind of content.

Edit - I don't think discussing the moderators actions in this thread is a good idea.

I'd actually suggest the moderators put a link to this thread at the end of the previous one, delete all but the first post in this thread, and just let it continue on-topic.
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You've got the idea.

Feel free to continue the discussion.

Happy sunday. :)

battistella
 
Donald, Les, Humberto... P.M. me or email me @ mallowmedia a t ya hoo dot cohm. My sent pms keep ending up in my inbox like I'm in some kind of Groundhog Day loop.
 
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There is now a final post in the old thread pointing here, and the first post in this one refering to the old.
I hope that solves any inconvenience.

Generally one of the things moderators try to do, is to try to keep threads on topic.
I haven't followed Humbertos thread closely, but observe that it has a lot of views.
From the topic, title, I got the impression that it had something to do with Steven Soderbergh, but as I still haven't read the thread, I still don't know :)

Noone is unwelcome to post!

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Thank you all! I really mean that from the bottom of my heart. I think from my personal point of view is that the Moderators are given to their own opinions as to what is right and wrong, and there being more than one with a “Yellow Line Below” on their names, that’s like the fight between Republicans and Democrats in Congress, some are for something and other are against it. That’s the World we live in whether in the Affairs of State, or Cinema, or anything else, it’s a BUREAUCRACY. Think about that the next time you pitch your story to anyone, some will see-it and others not. It’s like “2001 A Space Odyssey” or “Singing in the Rain” the critics ran it in the ground, but it withstood the times to now it has become a classics, the critics came back hat in hand, heads bow, and said we made a mistake. One last observation, the film world is like the real world, and that you can take to the bank. So I’ll comply and go quietly into the night, maybe you might hear from me once in awhile.

Humberto Rivera
 
Humberto is free to make posts, start new threads, etc. He can talk about the ARRI 65mm camera on threads about that camera. The only reason the old thread was closed was that it had drifted so far off from the original Soderbergh talk that it had become a defacto personal blog site for Humberto that was not under his name nor in the right forum category, so was misleading, and putting a post about the ARRI 65mm camera in that Soderbergh thread was the final indication that the original thread had run its course. No posts were deleted, the old ones are all there to see, and Humberto can make new posts here, so there is no censorship issues, this is just a forum management issue.
 
Yes, that would have been another option, to rename it AND move it.

Though I'm not sure that the purpose of RedUser is to have a space for personal blogs, this is a discussion forum. You start a topic related to Red cameras, or filmmaking in general, etc., people can join that discussion, it has a life for awhile, and when it drifts far enough off its original purpose, it dies a natural death or it gets closed. The only problem was that the Soderbergh thread should have been moderated much earlier for going off-topic. But as long as it was about the state of cinema, it least it was vaguely connected to the original Soderbergh talk and we moderators let it go. The ARRI 65mm post was a clear indication that the thread was no longer about Soderbergh's State of the Cinema talk. But you're right, another option would have been to delete the post about the ARRI 65mm camera for being in the wrong thread, or somehow move that one post to the correct thread, then move and rename the whole thread, etc. But either way, it was time for moderation.
 
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Yes, that would have been another option, to rename it AND move it.
But you're right, another option would have been to delete the post about the ARRI 65mm camera for being in the wrong thread, or somehow move that one post to the correct thread, then move and rename the whole thread, etc. But either way, it was time for moderation.
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Agree renaming and moving.

The thread was around for over a year and a half and one of the more popular threads so deleting the ARRI post and then communicating with Humberto might have been a more light handed approach. I get the feeling Humberto would have been open to suggestions.
 
I was an active reader of the old thread.
And actually the technical posts in it comparing the
Epic and Alexa 65 were my least favorite part of it....there is already so much of that here...
..there and everywhere on the internet...and I understand why but
really at the end of the day almost pointless....because ultimately
it is people and their ideas that make up and transform the cinema not the cameras
and not the lenses.

Once heard Storaro talk for over 2 hours and he never
mentioned a single camera or lens. Nowadays people can talk about some rare
lens for 2 hours like it is a fine wine and that's fine and great if you are
into that more power to you. Passion in whatever form is great rare thing.
But at the end of the day that lens is not wine...it's just a lens...and it's just a tool
for whatever people purpose it for.
 
Humberto Rivera said:
Thank you all! I really mean that from the bottom of my heart. I think from my personal point of view is that the Moderators are given to their own opinions as to what is right and wrong, and there being more than one with a “Yellow Line Below” on their names, that’s like the fight between Republicans and Democrats in Congress, some are for something and other are against it. That’s the World we live in whether in the Affairs of State, or Cinema, or anything else, it’s a BUREAUCRACY. Think about that the next time you pitch your story to anyone, some will see-it and others not. It’s like “2001 A Space Odyssey” or “Singing in the Rain” the critics ran it in the ground, but it withstood the times to now it has become a classics, the critics came back hat in hand, heads bow, and said we made a mistake. One last observation, the film world is like the real world, and that you can take to the bank. So I’ll comply and go quietly into the night, maybe you might hear from me once in awhile.

Humberto Rivera
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No worries Humberto, I thought smoothly transitioning into a new thread was worth a try, but your decision to maybe just post here and there once in a while is understandable. Thanks and good luck. :beer:
 
I think the moderators were nice so they didn't say anything till now. I remember in the initial days someone had gently suggested him to start a blog. The fact is this is a discussion forums and not a blog. Even in blogs, we do create posts under different headings. So people comment on those posts in the blog and not go through the lengthy list of posts, page after page to find out topics of interest. Posts under different headings also come up in search and help people. One lengthy thread on many different subjects is not of much help.

I think Humberto or anyone can start a new thread on a particular topic and people can discuss on that. It would be much better.
 
Can't wait to see how threads are managed henceforth. (Actually, I CAN wait, as they will become sterile FAQs.)
 
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