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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

SSD INFO

Also, it's important to consider that SSDs are really a one-off cost. I used to have to spend $600 for each shoot in tapestock alone. Adds up. Now I shoot to SSDs and can run the footage off to $80 2TB drives all day long!
 
Ok, um,... make that $250, with the thai floods and everything. I just checked the prices for 2TB green caviar drives - it was a gut-wrenching experience.
 
I think people have to get used to the idea that now, and into the foreseeable future, RED media is the ONLY option for RED cameras. Whether you like it or not, whether you understand or agree with the reasons or not, that's just a fact. And, as has been pointed out, Sony has SxS and Panasonic has P2, so RED is not the only one protecting the integrity of their medium.

FWIW - B&H prices today:
Panasonic P2 64G - $619
Sony SxS 64G - $850
 
Deanan said:
That is totally incorrect. Most drives cannot maintain the constant realtime requirements with compressed data that a camera demands...
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Thanks for the reply Deanan. There's clearly more to it than I had assumed. I love how on these forums you get to speak to the people who are actually responsible or involved with the development of the various camera components.

Now I'm curious. To overcome these problems, did you have to opt for better more expensive NAND or was it mainly the firmware that needed attention?
 
The guys at Red are smart... Why sell something that anyone could buy or someone else could make cheaper... Thats why they make some of the best cameras out! Unfortunately their not cheap...
 
Tom Wardrop said:
Thanks for the reply Deanan. There's clearly more to it than I had assumed. I love how on these forums you get to speak to the people who are actually responsible or involved with the development of the various camera components.

Now I'm curious. To overcome these problems, did you have to opt for better more expensive NAND or was it mainly the firmware that needed attention?
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Controller type, firmware, and flash type all matter significantly.
 
I got one of the first HVX200's in 2006 in the UK, 2 8GB P2 cards cost £ 1800.00 thats $ 2700.00 so SSD cards are great value ordered the 4 pack for £ 2120 sterling not 16 GB but 256 GB with more advanced and superior technology. Come on people get real and don't see pink flying pigs in the sky.
 
Deanan said:
Controller type, firmware, and flash type all matter significantly.
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+1

+the degree to which, and the manner in which, the camera buffers.

The only way to do it with anything resembling cheap off the shelf SSD is to ditch the 1.8" form factor and accept an external box, and do a RAID. And even then you need to watch the controller, firmware, etc.

Maybe a rear module with 4 x off the shelf SSD and an appropriate RAID controller... would avoid all the RED DRIVE cable headaches etc...

Mike
 
Terry VerHaar said:
Well -I guess you can tell I'm not a Sony guy. :-) But, this one is the one I saw - what's the difference?
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lol :)
the one you linked has one tenth the lifespan of SxS PRO, SxS PRO, might look more expensive than RED SSD, but 64Gb SxS will fit about 4Hrs of 1080 mxf 35mbs,
but from the other hand RED is not about 1080 @ 35mbs, i still wonder what's capacity per Gb of SSDs @ different frame rates and compression
 
I forget where I read it now, but I'm fairly sure that the RED SSD's use SLC Flash - rather than MLC flash that consumer drives do. That would jack up the price considerably as well as help with performance and reliability in the long term :)

Any chance you could confirm this Deanan?
 
Paramon Ivanovich said:
lol :)
the one you linked has one tenth the lifespan of SxS PRO, SxS PRO, might look more expensive than RED SSD, but 64Gb SxS will fit about 4Hrs of 1080 mxf 35mbs,
but from the other hand RED is not about 1080 @ 35mbs, i still wonder what's capacity per Gb of SSDs @ different frame rates and compression
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2k 2.4:1 at 24fps and RC 12:1 on a RED Mag 128GB would be about 8 hours. :)
 
STICKY Please...

Theses same SSD questions are being asked over and over again... :-/

Thanks.
 
Great Topic:


Deanan, Will Red recover footage free and replace media if it fails?


& what's the guarantee...
 
Brad Allen said:
I forget where I read it now, but I'm fairly sure that the RED SSD's use SLC Flash - rather than MLC flash that consumer drives do. That would jack up the price considerably as well as help with performance and reliability in the long term :)

Any chance you could confirm this Deanan?
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Given the cost and performance requirements, I'd be *astonished* if RED were not using SLC.

Some pertinent info: http://www.infostor.com/index/artic...-drives/2010/july-2010/mlc-vs__slc_flash.html

Mike
 
Ive been shopping for a system drive and reading about ssd for the last 2 weeks

These OWC guys are a small company who are producing some very high spec drives and looking at high sustained data transfer rates

http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/SSD/OWC/Mercury_6G/


Peak data rate Read 559MB/s
Peak data rate write 527MB/s

Incompressible data rate Read 479MB/s
Incompressible data rate Write 282MB/s

Would that be enough for 4k Scarlett footage?

$500 for a 240gig

In terms of the housing and connectors that allow you to plug in and plug out a lot, well I dont think they are worth $500 on top of the ssd cost! I suppose its only a matter of time before someone who owns a red sdd has a look inside to see how its been pimped up to ensure no dropped frames.
 
Im not saying it will work with a camera from Red but it is one of the top speed ssd out there at the moment and looks like it could handle 4k footage? Perhaps others on this forum could chime in for or against this possibility?
 
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