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I was searching online to see if any type of SSD would fit with the RED scarlet.
I saw Kingston, Plextor does 256 gigs SSD . are they all compatible with RED scarlet or it'S only RED SSD for their own system?
 
Only Red SSDs will work, they are built specifically to handle the very high SUSTAINED bandwidth.
 
what is the difference between RED and the rest? it's SSD no? the price diffference is huge. 500$ for a 256 from any other brand.
 
Reminds me of the introduction of the P2 media. Then it was R-Series but eventually they developed the A-Series and prices fell. The tolerance for tight tolerances along with the understandable margins will be tested by a new breed of Red owner. I would not be surprised to see a different series or alternate source emerge over time. Scarlet owners will be like water.
 
Some of the newer SSD's by Intel rate at over 300 Megabytes / second sustained .
Scarlet only needs 50.

noahvolek said:
Only Red SSDs will work, they are built specifically to handle the very high SUSTAINED bandwidth.
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i think red SSDs are designed with more robust connections than regular SSDs to prevent them from breaking from repeated insertions (or did i imagine that).

Seeing as this is another thread on the subject, and i don't seem able to start threads myself.. I have two questions if anyone knows an answer:

1) Does anyone know if the R1 cheese plate can be used with an Epic, and if so, what epic rail component do I need to make that work out for me .. or
2) Can I attach a Ronford-baker tripod plate directly (that doesn't seem right)

thanks in advance
 
I notion to make an "SSD Card FAQ" sticky post
 
Not sure I see a sustained rate drop off there ... Momentary drops are no worry, as the red has most likely enough buffering to handle these. Remember, scarlet needs only 1/4 of that rate to record as well. 50 meg a second is a cinch these days.

Anyhow, movie biz parts are like sailboat or aircraft parts, goes with the territory.
-Les
 
Yeah performance really can't be used as an argument for RED SSD's as it's clear desktop SSD solutions are plenty-fast. That might have had an ounce of truth a year or two ago, but these days it just doesn't hold up. The main reason for RED to want control of their media probably comes down to compatibility and reliability, so they're playing it safe I assume by making their SSD's proprietary - while they were at it they made a few tweaks like made them smaller (1.8"), and made the connectors more robust. 1.8" SSD's are still a standard size, but not as common in the consumer space as 2.5". 1.8" drives are mainly used by OEM's in tablets, music players, and other devices.
 
so the conclusion is:

there is no alternative to RED's SSD, right?
I was wondering why there is no CF adapter...
 
Jim stated in a much earlier post that common SSD's connectors were not robust enough and are only built to take a rather limited number of insertions and removals before failure due to their intended use in computers. That was the primary reason for a redesign and packaging of the Redmags so as to improve reliability. If memory serves me correctly, the expected Redmag connector MTBF was targeted to be in excess of 10,000 insertions and removals. Reliability comes with a price, which I personally don't mind paying for.
 
Tom Wardrop said:
Yeah performance really can't be used as an argument for RED SSD's as it's clear desktop SSD solutions are plenty-fast. That might have had an ounce of truth a year or two ago, but these days it just doesn't hold up. The main reason for RED to want control of their media probably comes down to compatibility and reliability, so they're playing it safe I assume by making their SSD's proprietary - while they were at it they made a few tweaks like made them smaller (1.8"), and made the connectors more robust. 1.8" SSD's are still a standard size, but not as common in the consumer space as 2.5". 1.8" drives are mainly used by OEM's in tablets, music players, and other devices.
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That is totally incorrect. Most drives cannot maintain the constant realtime requirements with compressed data that a camera demands. Alot of drives will randomly have timeouts and drops in data or suffer from inconsistent write patterns. Anytime a drop like this happens, you have to then write twice as fast or more to catchup on the buffers. If it happens again before you've caught up, you're down a slipery slope and won't be able to recover.

Camera's don't have gigs of memory like a desktop has and not alot of room to tolerate marginal media. Even a low data rates.

There are also a bunch of other factors to consider such as power draws, wear rates, data rate degradation, etc.

Generic drives just don't cut it.

I have a huge stack of ssds and cf cards from every manufacturer from the last five years of testing that choke in many ways on a camera.
It took many many months to get the ssds working fast and reliably.
 
Tom Wardrop said:
The main reason for RED to want control of their media probably comes down to compatibility and reliability, so they're playing it safe I assume by making their SSD's proprietary
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See Deanan's post. Lexar or OCZ or someone could easily (for some small values of 'easily') built 100% RED-compatible SSD, if they wanted to. But the performance requirements are too demanding, and the market is too small. That's why we've seen such a limited number of RED-compatible CF cards from 3rd parties - and even there I don't believe the compatibility was a design goal, it was more accidental.

RED SSDs are only 'proprietary' in the sense of the connectors and physical case used to house them - both sensible and necessary in my view to ensure they stand up to use and abuse in the field and on the set.

I've suggested before, and don't apologize for suggesting again, that the physical form factor and performance standards RED have adopted should become an industry standard. Jim, Jarred - go talk to Arri, Panavision, Sony, all the rest. This is one area where collaboration and standardization leads to better results for the customer than competition. Remember Betacam vs. MII? Everyone used 35mm stock. Everyone (with the obvious exception) used PL mount. Now the technology is maturing, no reason everyone shouldn't standardize on storage media for digital cinematography, and RED-compatible SSD seems to me to be the prime candidate.

THEN we'll see a bigger market, prices dropping, and more chance of third parties producing RED (i.e. industry standard) compatible products.

Mike
 
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