Speedgrade?

[Harry Clark]

Maybe there is a way to use Speedgrade as a "shell" program, if that's the right word, to process footage. Let Redcine or some command-line version run "under" Speedgrade.
Only because the interface makes sense to me.
Cheers,
Harry

 

[Seth Larney]

Hi Harry,

Not quite sure what you mean here ? Speedgrade doesn't have the code necessary to debayer or even read redcode, so as you say - you would still require Redcine etc to do the work .. so there would be no way to speed up the process with speedgrade. Or are you just talking about using speedgrade's interface to control Redcine etc ? As the controls are not the same I'm not sure how this would work ? Or why it would be a benefit ?

Cheers,
S.

 

[Harry Clark]

Just as a coloring tool. I can actually work with it (my brain) and the interface is better (for me) But yes, I figured that it does not debayer and that's why I thought it could front for another program...
Cheers,
Harry

 

[laguun]

Just as a coloring tool. I can actually work with it (my brain) and the interface is better (for me) But yes, I figured that it does not debayer and that's why I thought it could front for another program...
Cheers,
Harry

speedgrade is -the- pioneer of debayer, in fact they had complete bayer-basing workflows even before red was released.

they support arri raw, cineform raw, si: 2K raw, phantom 65 raw etc. and are open to support redraw once its open.

also you can work with the redcode qts on osx, speedgrade is available on osx, windows and linux.

maybe just give them a call or speak with them an nab. axel mertens who also posts here on reduser.net has some pretty interesting knowledge regarding speedgrade raw workflows btw.

 

[Jay A. Kelley]

Speedgrade is wonderful.. They are just waiting to be involved.

Jay

 

[Hans von Sonntag]

I used SpeedGrade since a year or so on many projects and lately on a commercial for cinema release shot with RED.

Nomen est omen - SpeedGrade is fast and very intuitive - and platform agnostic (MAC, Wndows, Linux). With a Nivida 4500fx or better the new 5600fx 1080p grading is RT up to 30 fps with many layers stacked.

From an artistic view SpeedGrade is brilliant - just to name the ability to do crossed colour correction like you can do with a Spirit and a Pogel off a 35mm negative. Something I missed a lot when I did my first steps in desktop grading with FinalTouch.

SpeedGrades tool set is very thought after and easy to learn, from basic grading up to complex grading stacks containing, masks, alpha files, secondaries, custom shaders etc...

Highly recommended for anyone who loves the art of grading.

From a producers view SpeedGrade is great because it accomplishes the finishing process very fast and is affordable even for the small production company. You can customise your grading system to your personal needs and budget.
You can use SpeedGarde in a fully pimed up grading suite with a fast FC RAID, Tangent controls, 2K projector, ECinema display, etc... or just with a mouse or Wacom board and an Eizo 24" for HD 1080p. Or anything between. The price for the software is no secret: www.speedgrade.com


Grading off RAW files is the future for sure but RT debayering plus satisfactory RT colour correction is hard to achieve. Without dedicated hardware just with an off-the-shelf desktop I doubt that this will be accomplished in the near future. But we will see. As Laguun said, Iridas has a huge knowledge about RAW workflow.

NAB will be very interesting - especially regarding the RED workflow.

Hans

Edit: Jay, good to hear that Iridas "arms" reached you already...

 

[Harry Clark]

Looking forward to NAB! It will be nice to have some options...
Cheers,
Harry

 

[mezmo]

Not to mention the "ON SET" LUT previz tool
Mezmo

 

[laguun]

Not to mention the "ON SET" LUT previz tool
Mezmo

... and their 8K and 10K i/o and playback....

 

[I Bloom]

Maybe there is a way to use Speedgrade as a "shell" program, if that's the right word, to process footage. Let Redcine or some command-line version run "under" Speedgrade.
Only because the interface makes sense to me.
Cheers,
Harry

REDline can take you there. You would need more storage than if you did native R3D in scratch. But you could just REDline your entire project to DPX and take it into Speedgrade with an EDL. Depending on the size of the project.

IBloom

 

[Miguel "Macgregor" De Olaso]

I used SpeedGrade since a year or so on many projects and lately on a commercial for cinema release shot with RED.

Nomen est omen - SpeedGrade is fast and very intuitive - and platform agnostic (MAC, Wndows, Linux). With a Nivida 4500fx or better the new 5600fx 1080p grading is RT up to 30 fps with many layers stacked.

From an artistic view SpeedGrade is brilliant - just to name the ability to do crossed colour correction like you can do with a Spirit and a Pogel off a 35mm negative. Something I missed a lot when I did my first steps in desktop grading with FinalTouch.

SpeedGrades tool set is very thought after and easy to learn, from basic grading up to complex grading stacks containing, masks, alpha files, secondaries, custom shaders etc...

Highly recommended for anyone who loves the art of grading.

From a producers view SpeedGrade is great because it accomplishes the finishing process very fast and is affordable even for the small production company. You can customise your grading system to your personal needs and budget.
You can use SpeedGarde in a fully pimed up grading suite with a fast FC RAID, Tangent controls, 2K projector, ECinema display, etc... or just with a mouse or Wacom board and an Eizo 24" for HD 1080p. Or anything between. The price for the software is no secret: www.speedgrade.com


Grading off RAW files is the future for sure but RT debayering plus satisfactory RT colour correction is hard to achieve. Without dedicated hardware just with an off-the-shelf desktop I doubt that this will be accomplished in the near future. But we will see. As Laguun said, Iridas has a huge knowledge about RAW workflow.

NAB will be very interesting - especially regarding the RED workflow.

Hans

Edit: Jay, good to hear that Iridas "arms" reached you already...

Questions: when your machine doesn´t give you RT, can you prerender in Speedgrade to play in RT?

 

[laguun]

Questions: when your machine doesn´t give you RT, can you prerender in Speedgrade to play in RT?

Speedgrade performs in RT for 2K CC.
No need to prerender on the system here... which is an "average" system (4500quadro with quad 2.66 and 18 disks).
Also, you can switch between 4K/2K versions.

What might be -very- interesting (but i didnt test it yet) would be a combination of iridas speedgrade and venue for full 4K (and up) simultaneous. I would require to have another dual-stream 4K SAN here for testing this...

 

[Michael Lindsay]

I used speedgrade onset with a couple if SI camera's the other day and thought it was very easy and intuitive.

It would be nice to see a Scratch version which worked like this with Redcine at the back end. For onset playback and 3d LUTs creation to load onto RED.

regards

Michael

PS I have also slightly played with 'scratch' and found it very easy to follow. The online tutorials make it look incredibly easy to produce results.

 

[Miguel "Macgregor" De Olaso]

Speedgrade performs in RT for 2K CC.
No need to prerender on the system here... which is an "average" system (4500quadro with quad 2.66 and 18 disks).
Also, you can switch between 4K/2K versions.

What might be -very- interesting (but i didnt test it yet) would be a combination of iridas speedgrade and venue for full 4K (and up) simultaneous. I would require to have another dual-stream 4K SAN here for testing this...

I have speedgrade DI here and if i apply heavy secondaries i loose RT. I can´t find where i can pre-render to preview in RT.

How do you switch between 4k/2K? You mean in the same timeline? you mean preview resizing of 4K to 2K?

 

[laguun]

I have speedgrade DI here and if i apply heavy secondaries i loose RT.

this indicates that you would see a good speed increase with a even more powerful graphic card.

I can´t find where i can pre-render to preview in RT.

as i am mostly sitting behind the speedgrade i dont know the exact button and the speedgrade hero is out of house i am, as producing mainly, and "my" systems are the discreet systems.

How do you switch between 4k/2K? You mean in the same timeline? you mean preview resizing of 4K to 2K?

the versioning does the trick

axel mertens who is often here btw is one of the excellent speedgrade -operators-, he is top and should be certainly as competent than the speedgrade folks here at the studio, maybe send him a pm (or wait until the folks are here tuesday again )