Soon a pocket calculator could encode Redcode.

[Wayne Morellini]

How could this be so. Well, I should say multifunction pocket calculator, probably running something like Android in 5 to 10 years time.

I have been involved with a group that has a low powered chip with 144 processors that can do over 100 billion instructions per second that could be upgrade to do many many times more, suitable for a pocket camera maybe. But what I am really talking about is that they plan to release optical computers in the next 5 years, that will have more than a thousand times the processing power of present systems. Just a little advanced release optical processing circuit could make red code on a pocket scarlet 4.0 a push over. The sort of thing that a future advanced multifunction calculator might use. I aim to start work on a cheaper version of optical computing too.

 

[Dan Kanes]

Maybe email Jim/Jarred/Deanan?

Otherwise, a lot of this kind of discussion goes over/around/through people's heads, and would be better suited to a unix integrated systems forum.

Also for rampant speculation and stargazing - try personal-view.com

But, on another topic - None of that hardware talk is radical - it's more about someone (Red for instance) applying technologies without selling the buyer short.

Patents.

 

[Bruce Allen]

How could this be so. Well, I should say multifunction pocket calculator, probably running something like Android in 5 to 10 years time.

I have been involved with a group that has a low powered chip with 144 processors that can do over 100 billion instructions per second that could be upgrade to do many many times more, suitable for a pocket camera maybe. But what I am really talking about is that they plan to release optical computers in the next 5 years, that will have more than a thousand times the processing power of present systems. Just a little advanced release optical processing circuit could make red code on a pocket scarlet 4.0 a push over. The sort of thing that a future advanced multifunction calculator might use. I aim to start work on a cheaper version of optical computing too.

I would think it is possible that a general purpose SIMD chip such as a 2016/2017-model nVidia Tegra or similar mobile chip might likely be able to GPU-accelerated-ly encode REDCODE, yes.

Optical computers? That is more iffy. Nice if it happens.

BTW, this should be in Off-Topic, methinks.

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com

 

[Wayne Morellini]

Maybe email Jim/Jarred/Deanan?

Otherwise, a lot of this kind of discussion goes over/around/through people's heads, and would be better suited to a unix integrated systems forum.

Also for rampant speculation and stargazing - try personal-view.com

But, on another topic - None of that hardware talk is radical - it's more about someone (Red for instance) applying technologies without selling the buyer short.

Patents.

Obviously it did go over your head a bit. Hardly anything to do with Unix integrated systems platform, but maybe you were just kidding.

Hardly off topic, see below.


Bruce.

It is about what careful planning now can do for the future of Scarlet. Yes I know about GPU smid, tried to get Jim to go down that easy road years ago. But ultimately integrating a simple low end optical circuit allows you to do much more. Red code III 10k resolution, holographic volumetric recording, in an almost pocketable camcorder plus lens platform (the directors viewfinder I was trying to get Jim interested in pre Scarlet), you might have to wait a lot past 2016 for a simple silicon tegra to handle that. This is what a seriouse company like Apple would do, line up early access to the technology for great clear advantage. I've been circumspect here about the lens too, as I have had my own design ideas for years. We are talking about, potentially a very small slim box, a few centimeters long and wide, so the fixed camera eventually becomes mostly lens and display. Then you ask, how big does a liquid lens have to be? Advanced thinking around here.

Anyway, it is radical for around here, best to label it so. People think that the cameras around here are radical, but to me virtually all of it is progressive and not remarkable enough to be called radical. The market effects of the business are radical, well with sub $5k scarlets in particular, but still a shift enough without them. However the business strategy is an old one, see a, in this case, clear hole in the market and fill it, establishing a foothold. That hole was product performance and technology to get it done, to an extent. This sort of strategy is something well overdue in this market. More radical is probably Ambarella, but I have not had access to their technology to find out, but still, sub $100 fullhd cameras really does throw mud in the previouse consumer camera companies faces.

I wonder about the upper reaches of liquid lens quality. I would not mind writing a technical article on it.

Please don't get me onto patents, a number of Apple's look like my older work inadvertently, but it seems that I have had a few other people deliberately subvertly take my ideas for a ride with industry leading results. Rather than be skeptical of the truth, hop on for the ride it can go far.

Thanks anyway Bruce.

 

[Philipp Straehl]

there are also plastic lenses with variable focus point. That was about two years ago, obviously not so easy to build. Never heard of liquid lenses.

 

[Wayne Morellini]

Liquid is a new fad. Supposed to be coming along nicely, but don't know if that is not just consumer qyaoity wise. Would be interesting to research. People get stuck in the past, and don't realise or accept what is or can be done. From years ago, the liquid can be squeezed or shaped for optical quality, maybe multi liquid. I wonder what sort of profile and perfirmance can be achieved making a liquid lens for the s35 scarlet compared to the old fixed.

Noticed my other thread has disappeared, that particular thread was not having a go at Red, but a funny celebration of the importance of the Scarlet release, a point missed.


Thanks

Wayne.

 

[Wayne Morellini]

Philipp,

I am interested in using the liquid lens in a few product designs. So I have been talking with a manufacturer about the liquid lens. I have a link to sample pictures taken by a pro photographer on a 1/4inch chip unfortunately. As I mentioned them here before, I thought people here might like to see them and give an professional expert opinion on them. I see a few things, nice though, and sharp, what do others think? There seems to be a real size limitation though, that is not good for 4/3rds or 35mm etc, but suites me enough. I have an idea for a design solution that should be able to scale up the apeture width of the technology for cinema use. Also zoom is still coming according to news reports.

www.phitar.net/albums/2011-01-27_Varioptic/index.html
www.smartalix.com/liquidlens.html
www.engadget.com/2006/08/04/researchers-create-human-like-shape-shifting-lens/
www.news.cnet.com/8301-19882_3-20070432-250/liquid-lenses-for-cameraphones-zooming-closer/
www.engadget.com/search/?q=liquid+lenses
www.varioptic.com/en/topmenu/liquid-lens-technology.html

www.engadget.com/2008/09/04/coaster-sized-origami-optics-lens-boosts-focal-length-shrinks-p/