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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Some new changes...

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The Third Man said:
Not even Peter Jackson was in a need of Premium Production Pack and he did "Crossing the Line". Basic is enough for the beginning.
Have a look at the picture below.

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Nice pictures. Everyone was poopoo-ing the LCD, but looks like even the pros use it.
 
I can think of very few reasons to find fault with Jim or the rest of the Red team from the very beginning of their venture. For me, the loss of the PPP is a minor inconvenience in an otherwise nearly flawless plan. I've ordered the PPP but I'm sure Jim and the team will be fair and have figured a way to make us all happy. I'd like all the bells and whistles and if I need to buy them individually, so be it. The value I'm getting, even with a slight price increase, is so incredibly much better than any camera I've ever owned. For that, Jim, thank you. And congratulations to you and the entire Red Team for pulling off such an outstanding feat!

Champe
 
Jannard said:
In keeping with our philosophy (get used to it)... several things have changed.

Weight of the camera body is now an even 10 pounds. After changes to the sensor board cooling system (different than we had 2 weeks ago), and beefing up the body to go head to head with a Sherman tank... the body has bulked up. No steroids used, however. This is now one tight bomb.

As we have stated, about a hundred times, all features will not be enabled. This has now become our plan. We figure that no matter how high the anticipation, the extreme excitement can wear off after a bit of time. We have a fix for that. Just about the time you get used to the camera, Santa will drop by your email address and leave a package that makes your camera "new again". We will continue this plan to keep you plenty excited for a much longer period of time. And when you are fully capable to use all you have, we will surprise you.

We have discontinued the Premium Production Pack rail system due to lack of interest and/or everyone wanting to substitute parts. The only system you can buy is the Base Production Pack, then add parts and pieces as you need them. The price of the Base Package has not changed, although it is severly under-priced. We will honor our commitment.

More news to follow.

Jim
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What wil be the " Penalty " from RED ?
Another 1000 USD for the 1st 1000 holders with the " Rs " ?

1.5 Billion people here in Greater CHINA have been watching RED's statements.

REDHKSC - HKG's SAR in CHINA
 
The RED ONE camera and company are dynamically evolving. Never in my 22 years in the business has any manufacturer been so open or solicited so much user feedback on initial development, progress, and delivery.

Every new product of any kind and it's accessories regularly go through suggested pricing fluctuations right up to delivery as they determine last minute material and manufacturing costs and profit projections. The only difference here is the very open and public discourse and revelations by the manufacturer.

RED accessory pricing is extremely fair, as is the camera of course. There is only a $1500 published difference between the standard and premium package, throw in the reservation holder discount and it's still a great deal any way you slice it in regards to what you getting for a 2K/4K system.
 
Everyone will be able to have the Premium Production Pack. Just order the pieces individually. What's the big deal? This sounds like a great idea. A la carte is the way to go here. Get the Basic, plus any other bits you need for your own kit.
 
Jannard said:
I think when you see what has changed, you will change your mind. Just my opinion.
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Jim knows best...

As long as all the parts are available to build and configure as we need, what matters? And this is coming from someone who planned to buy the premium package. Base package and add-ons, that's all good to me.
 
Jannard said:
In keeping with our philosophy (get used to it)... several things have changed.

Weight of the camera body is now an even 10 pounds. After changes to the sensor board cooling system (different than we had 2 weeks ago), and beefing up the body to go head to head with a Sherman tank... the body has bulked up. No steroids used, however. This is now one tight bomb.

As we have stated, about a hundred times, all features will not be enabled. This has now become our plan. We figure that no matter how high the anticipation, the extreme excitement can wear off after a bit of time. We have a fix for that. Just about the time you get used to the camera, Santa will drop by your email address and leave a package that makes your camera "new again". We will continue this plan to keep you plenty excited for a much longer period of time. And when you are fully capable to use all you have, we will surprise you.

We have discontinued the Premium Production Pack rail system due to lack of interest and/or everyone wanting to substitute parts. The only system you can buy is the Base Production Pack, then add parts and pieces as you need them. The price of the Base Package has not changed, although it is severly under-priced. We will honor our commitment.

More news to follow.

Jim
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We want premium package.I did not reserve because i thought I can wait till november shipment.Please premium please!.Everybody interested tell him..
babu
 
Sumfun said:
Nice pictures. Everyone was poopoo-ing the LCD, but looks like even the pros use it.
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In that shot with PJ, that's not the RED LCD.
 
Hello reality. Its good to see you again.

While RED has nearly pulled off the impossible here, and I am continually impressed and excited when it comes to the RED One, I think we are seeing the compromise of reality on a deadline.

RED is great at spinning all their hardware/software realities into positive hype (the "joy" of upcoming and ongoing updates) or dismissing them as minor inconvienineces that the average person won't and shouldn't want (potential loss of 720 recording and its off speeds, all onboard Flash options potentially reduced to only CF, and the loss of the PPP now).

As Jim has said from day one, all things are subject to change, like it or lump it reality is that it has changed. I'm sure its just as annoying to him as it is me to not know what all I'm getting or how much its gonna cost or when I'm gonna get it for that matter. Ideals are great but reality is just that, its real.

Jim I can't wait to see what is going to ship, exactly, and what the new rail rig acessories are and how much they are going to be and when they will be available. Cant wait. But i will.
 
BajaProductions said:
NOW THAT'S HONESTY!!!

....I'm all for Jannard and RED being up front and telling us they underestimated the cost/resale of the premium prod. pack. That's friggin honesty!! NOW TO BLAST them for it.....wow, that's some pelotas you got their! GRANDE in fact.

....seems like pure open development and Jim just being honest with the RED community. If that's the case and they underestimated their costs---I'm all for RED making a profit---I KNOW I WILL!!

...Great thread and keep em coming RED team. Can't say more about you guys making this new technology accessible for guys like me....and I DO want you to be profitable and keep the profits revolving back into the company to keep the new technology flowing----THANKS AGAIN!!
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I see the point.I agree if the cost is higher and we can buy and put things together that is ok with me.
Delete the following!:angry01:
We want premium package.I did not reserve because i thought I can wait till november shipment.Please premium please!.Everybody interested tell him..
babu
 
Here's the list of stuff in the premium package but not in the basic, far as I can tell.

RED RAIL MOUNT (3)
RED ROD SHORT (1)
RED ROD LONG (4)
RED RAIL HANDLE BRACKET
RED GRIP HANDLE (1)
RED SIDE HANDLE (4)
RED 15mm ROD ADAPTOR (Studio)
RED 15mm ROD ADAPTOR (Lightweight)

And maybe, depending what it is:
RED RAIL TOP PLATE

I'm sure they'll take the order, it's just a la carte now. No idea of price, though
 
Vote this way

Vote this way

The PPP is still available on Red.com for order. All those that want it but haven't made that clear to Red can vote by putting down a deposit (I just did). That doesn't necessarily mean we'll get it, but it's a very real way to make our desire known, isn't it? (and that deposit can always be applied to the rest of our order if they don't bring the PPP back)

I've been holding off on putting in my full order because "everything can and will change", so I thought what's the point? Also, reservation holders were told at one point not to worry about accessories because we'd "be taken care of". Now I see the folly of not ordering everything I want early on.

In any case, I'm incredibly stoked about this historic day!

Verko
 
I'm sure most of the missing gaps in the info available will be addressed at IBC. So we'll find out pretty soon, but I'm quite certain that the sum of all the parts needed to build the PPP won't be far from it's original retail price as a whole.

Also, we've all known that "all specs are subject to change - you can count on it". I'd rather have these minor surprises than a closed R&D process.

The best,
 
babubu said:
I did not reserve because i thought I can wait till november shipment.
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This was our exact understanding as well. There have been numerous posts asking when reservation holders need to make option selections. The indicated answer was:

When final payment was due. The options available at that time would be offered to reservation holders.

For that reason we have not reserved extras yet. We were under the impression that all the options could be ordered when final payment was due. If that has changed it would be good to know.

I recall an email from RED several months ago, asking what we were offering as far as services & rentals was concerned. I believe it was for a database that they were planning on making public at some point. We indicated the options in that reply.

Cheers,
G
 
Emmanuel Cambier said:
Hey, I'm sorry but some people need to think twice before complaining the way they do in this thread.:angry03:

I know Jim is a big Boy and doesn't need me to defend him, but I just can't let pass this kind of accusations like it's a normal thing on a board like this.

Hey jack seriously… Do you think the guys at Red need this kind of comments after all the hard work they've put up to offer us such a bargain of a camera.
I think it's time you relax a bit and do a reality check. When was the last time you got a chance to have such a close look at the development of such an extaordinary product.
Why don't you go and chat with sony or panasonic or arri's executives.
If you ain't happy or feel uncertain about this company's honnesty, by all means get your money back and stop bringing such accusations to this otherwise friendly and sincere board.

I can't believe I didn't even call you names:huh:
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Making the development process of RedONE comparatively open is beneficial both to us in that we get to influence the design and implimentation of the product and to Red in that they get to supply a product most appropriate to the market. Our side of this is we give critical feedback both positive and negative to any announcements or proposals made by Red. It is most healthy if people say what they think. I don't think it is helpful for people to be knocked if they state that they are unhappy or disappointed by any announcements. I don't believe we or Red would be best served by the feedback being anything other than an honest reflection of what people think.

Just my happerth worth.

M
 
Martin said:
Making the development process of RedONE comparatively open is beneficial both to us in that we get to influence the design and implimentation of the product and to Red in that they get to supply a product most appropriate to the market. Our side of this is we give critical feedback both positive and negative to any announcements or proposals made by Red. It is most healthy if people say what they think. I don't think it is helpful for people to be knocked if they state that they are unhappy or disappointed by any announcements. I don't believe we or Red would be best served by the feedback being anything other than an honest reflection of what people think.

Just my happerth worth.

M
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Amen to that, but I reacted because of the accusations contained in the initialy quoted post, not because of the disagreement, wich I can perfectly understand, believe you me.
I keep thinking we shouldn't accuse Jim and his company of trying to make unapropriate profits on our backs.
Yours
Emmanuel
 
Martin said:
Making the development process of RedONE comparatively open is beneficial both to us in that we get to influence the design and implimentation of the product and to Red in that they get to supply a product most appropriate to the market. Our side of this is we give critical feedback both positive and negative to any announcements or proposals made by Red. It is most healthy if people say what they think. I don't think it is helpful for people to be knocked if they state that they are unhappy or disappointed by any announcements. I don't believe we or Red would be best served by the feedback being anything other than an honest reflection of what people think.
M
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I agree Martin.

However, the last 2 weeks i didnt want to make too critical remarks, as i think the red team has deserved praise now.


sadly, that occured exactly while they (for the first time) did 2 things which werent clever im my humble opinion (pro res as delivery for the 2k ctl, and a somewhat unclear communication for the windows development plan), but that all is really unimportant compared to the fact that they built the camera.

Such a small group of talented people really surpassed 100s of the most experienced engineers of the double de facto dupoly from asia and europe (panasonic/sony for 709 and arri/aaton for 35mm). Having worked for many companies and having seen many excellent products being blocked/killed by management, this really restored my faith in a good company culture - and a somewhat extraordinary customer relationship.
 
Jack Wester said:
If the premium package can be assembled from individual items, this is a price raise in discuise.

I don't like the idea of price changes a few months after order confirmation. Changing your pricelist usually affects new orders, not old ones.

And if this simply is a change in pricing, and if you decide to do it retroactivly, at least give us the option to accept the price raise without forcing us make nitty gritty individual parts picking.

I'm willing to receive a new order confirmation with a higher price as an act of goodwill, but I don't want to spend time on trying to foresee in detail what parts I will and will not need.
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Well this is the original post and well… I just over reacted…sorry:poster_oops:
 
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