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Some explanation & apologies……

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…….a bit of math on R1/Epic upgrade options.

For non-R1 owners the market price of an s35 today is $17.5K.
This is based on buying a R1 at $17.5K and trading-in for an Epic X with $10K? worth of free accessories.

For existing R1 owners, the cost of an Epic X is $0K.
Based on trading-in the R1 for Epic X with $10K worth of free accessories.
For existing R1 owners, the previous (13 Nov) cost of an s35 was $10K.

Buyers who want to enter the pro cinema (Epic) market cheaply can buy either a second hand s35 with higher fps or a new FF35 with higher stops.
So let’s set the resale price of a 2nd hand s35 at $8K slightly under a new FF35 Scarlet ($10K).

The next step will be buying a FF35 at $33K. So here are the sums……

For existing R1 owners, the R1/Epic X upgrade path to a FF35 will be $0K + $33K - $8K = $25K
For existing R1 owners, the R1/ FF35 upgrade path to a FF35 will be $5K + $33K - $17K = $21K

The old R1/Epic s35 upgrade to FF35 cost about $37K vs. $21K.…hence my comments ...'the camera nobody wanted'.
Jim’s Epic X offer corrected this scenario.

My comments are/were given to help you guys make buying decisions.

I regret if it offended people.
Dave,

ps:the explanation/figures in gray have changed due to everyone's subsequent comments and corrections.
I have updated them here rather than void 30 good posts
 
I see. So you buy the accessories for $10k as you'll need them anyway, and the brain becomes "free."

Interesting.

Look Dave, I'm sure no one was offended by your comments. That's the great thing about an open forum, everyone chimes in and can be honest!

Forum wouldn't be the same without ya!

Cheers,

Jim
 
david you are good in making some arguments...
its a pleasure to follow discussions you are involved in.

running the numbers and decide will be tough next year.
 
Thanks for the sumary, Dave.

I agree, the Dec. 3rd offer looks not only good on specs (high frame rates, etc..), but financially very attractive too. I know I will be trading in for Epic X and, with the savings, I will get another body, most likely Scarlet FF35. Perhaps some glass too...

Thanks for the maths.
 
david farland said:
…….a bit of math on R1/Epic upgrade options.

For non-R1 owners the market price of an s35 today is $17.5K.
This is based on buying a R1 at $17.5K and trading-in for an Epic X with $10K? worth of free accessories.

For existing R1 owners, the cost of an Epic X is $0K.
Based on trading-in the R1 for Epic X with $10K worth of free accessories.
For existing R1 owners, the previous (3rd Dec) cost of an s35 was $10K.

Buyers who want to enter the pro cinema (Epic) market cheaply can buy either a second hand s35 with higher fps or a new FF35 with higher stops. So let’s set the resale price of a 2nd hand s35 at $8K slightly under a new FF35 Scarlet ($10K).

The next step will be buying a FF35 at $33K. So here are the sums……

For existing R1 owners, the R1/Epic X upgrade path to a FF35 will be $0K + $33K - $8K = $25K
For existing R1 owners, the R1/ FF35 upgrade path to a FF35 will be $5K + $33K - $17K = $21K

The old R1/Epic s35 upgrade to FF35 cost about $35K vs. $21K.…hence my comments ...'the camera nobody wanted'.
Jim’s Epic X offer corrected this scenario.

My comments are/were given to help you guys make buying decisions.

I regret if it offended people.
Dave,
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David,

Are you saying the Epic X costs $0 for Red One owners? Can you provide the link to Jim saying that?

From what I understood from the long brochure posted Dec 3rd was that the modules were at no extra cost. But the wording said, "A full trade-in allowance of $17,500 for a Red One is credited towards this special package."

Jim repeats this again in the same post: "3. Trade your RED ONE in, and receive $17,500 credit, towards the purchase of an EPIC-X S35 Private Reserve package, which is only available to RED ONE customers."

The words "credited towards" implies to me that 17.5k isn't enough and you'll have to pay more.

The Epic X is listed in the brochure at $28k and is said to be "Available as an upgrade from Red One only."

So I thought it was going to cost $10.5k more to upgrade to the Epic X as a Red One owner.

Am I missing something or misunderstanding your post?
 
Jason Ing said:
So I thought it was going to cost $10.5k more to upgrade to the Epic X as a Red One owner.

Am I missing something or misunderstanding your post?
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Yes but it basically means that R1 to Epic brain is for free. You simply have to pay for the accessories (10.5K). Therefor the Epic itself is for free.

Edit: saw that Zakaree got before me.
 
Thanks guys.....your words mean so much to me, dave

ps:jason, I get the zero cost for a s35($28k) by adding $17.5k (R1) + accessories which you'll need to buy anyway ($10k?) = $28K(ish)
 
weirdcrew said:
Yes but it basically means that R1 to Epic brain is for free. You simply have to pay for the accessories (10.5K). Therefor the Epic itself is for free.

Edit: saw that Zakaree got before me.
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No, the accessories are free.
 
I too am completely flumoxed by your calculations David. The S35 Epic X will cost $10.5K plus a Red or $17.5K, not $0. I would like to eventually get Epic 645 but in the meantime the way in to the system seems to be Epic X. I guess we'll have to wait for the accessories pricing to know what value the special package really represents.
 
Guys, I'm starting to feel retarded here. What am I missing?

Let's try to find some facts we can all agree on just by reading the brochure:

Fact 1) Red One = $17.5k credit
Fact 2) Modules are "at no additional cost"
Fact 3) Epic X listed price is $28k (brain, cf module, io module, battery module)
Fact 4) There is a $10.5k difference.
 
Zakaree is right, Dave isn't saying R1 owners get a Free EpicX, he's just switching the free bit from the accessories (pay $10k for them) to the brain upgrade ($17,500 + $10k credit) free.

This is all on the assumption that the accessories are $10k. I have a feeling they will be substantially less for the bits that come with Epic X.

Interesting thread though!
 
I don't think the modules will be 10K. Think about it. CF module for RED ONE is $500. Batteries are $1500. IO and control panel are the unknowns. I can't imagine it would be $8000 for those two items.
 
jimhare said:
Zakaree is right, Dave isn't saying R1 owners get a Free EpicX, he's just switching the free bit from the accessories (pay $10k for them) to the brain upgrade ($17,500 + $10k credit) free.

This is all on the assumption that the accessories are $10k. I have a feeling they will be substantially less for the bits that come with Epic X.

Interesting thread though!
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Whichever way it's switched, there is a 10.5k difference that will come out of each Red Owner's pocket who upgrades to the Epic X.
 
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