Welcome to our community

Be a part of something great, join today!

Log in
  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

SKYFALL BROLL

Nice
 
Sadly the Aerial Unit rated the Epic at 400 with no HRDx, Roger saw clipping. Come on Aerial-unit guys!, Alexa, Red, seems like every camera CMOS camera works the same, there's more highlight range at higher ISOs...

EDIT: This was written in haste, I should have stated that I read these particulars on Mr. Deakins' forum, where a member of the aerial unit reported on the Epic's settings.

I don't know about you, but I just think it's a pity the one time the camera was forced on him, someone wasn't checking the exposure in-flight. He can dislike the camera for all sorts of reasons, but clipping where clipping didn't need to happen is just sad.
 
Last edited:
Sweet!
 
Ryan De Franco said:
Sadly the 2nd Unit rated the Epic at 400 with no HRDx for the aerials, Roger saw clipping in the sky, blamed the Red and not the 2nd Unit. Come on guys, Alexa and Red and every camera work the same, there's more highlight range at higher ISOs...
Click to expand...

800 iso + 3 stops hdrx for the aerials to save epic's ass in the most extreme overexposure shots = no problemo. Blaming the "awful Red" is much easier than that, though.
 
Vadim Bobkovsky said:
800 iso + 3 stops hdrx for the aerials to save epic's ass in the most extreme overexposure shots = no problemo. Blaming the "awful Red" is much easier than that, though.
Click to expand...


In fairness to Mr. Deakins the night aerials footage WAS clipped. He's supervising main unit photography. The Epic unit sent back clipped footage. End of story.

Any excuses and character potshots at Mr. Deakins for adopting a lazy attiude with why are unjustified in my opinion. They sent back clipped footage to the main unit DP who has expressed concern in print about dynamic range on digital systems. Calling him out on it sounds a bit like sour grapes in my opinion.
 
James T Mather said:
In fairness to Mr. Deakins the night aerials footage WAS clipped. He's supervising main unit photography. The Epic unit sent back clipped footage. End of story.

Any excuses and character potshots at Mr. Deakins for adopting a lazy attiude with why are unjustified in my opinion. They sent back clipped footage to the main unit DP who has expressed concern in print about dynamic range on digital systems. Calling him out on it sounds a bit like sour grapes in my opinion.
Click to expand...

I said nothing wrong about Deakins or that the footage wasn't clipped, in fact he's clearly not the only one blaming Red on various of sets. It's not his fault, obviously, it's more like second unit here. I'm not calling Roger out or anything like that, but if we're talking about lack of competence, let's just say the guys who shot aerials could have been more knowledgeable about the Epic's features, as Deakins himself more interested in the Alexa, that's understandable. If you know how to use Red you can make it work, even with HDRx (especially in the case of aerials it's not exactly rocket surgery). I too don't like when some guy jumps at the Arri job and say "Alexa was very bad", just because he couldn't make it work. Usually the other guys laugh at him very loudly and tell him he's an amateur and they're done with him professionally, although often in the case of Red, in their opinion it's a camera's fault, not the one behind it. I've seen some pretty crap hdrx footage, with people walking right before the light source, with all kinds of differences in contrast... I've yet to see badly clipped professional aerial footage shot on Epic, maybe those guys just did their homework, I don't know...
 
James T Mather said:
In fairness to Mr. Deakins the night aerials footage WAS clipped. He's supervising main unit photography. The Epic unit sent back clipped footage. End of story.

Any excuses and character potshots at Mr. Deakins for adopting a lazy attiude with why are unjustified in my opinion. They sent back clipped footage to the main unit DP who has expressed concern in print about dynamic range on digital systems. Calling him out on it sounds a bit like sour grapes in my opinion.
Click to expand...

Not really James, if the story and circumstances are as reported here. It all depends on why the footage was clipped. If it was the fault of the camera, your point is well taken. If it was operator error, which is highly likely since we have all shot and seen great night footage from Epic, then it's a bit unfair to blame the camera, don't you think?

Roger Deakins is a terrific cameraman. Loved his work since Stormy Monday. But he seems to have a pretty strong dislike for Red cameras. If it's based on factual information, testing, side by side comparisons, that's fair enough. If it's based on innuendo and other non objective information, seems fair to make the point in defense of Red.
 
Specs

Specs

[h=5]Camera[/h]Arri Alexa M, Zeiss Master Prime Lenses
Arri Alexa Plus, Zeiss Master Prime and Angenieux Optimo Lenses
Arri Alexa Studio, Zeiss Master Prime and Angenieux Optimo Lenses
Red Epic, Zeiss Master Prime Lenses (helicopter shots)

[h=5]Laboratory[/h]Company 3, London, UK (digital intermediate)
EFilm (digital intermediate)

[h=5]Film negative format (mm/video inches)[/h]Codex

[h=5]Cinematographic process[/h]ARRIRAW (2.8K) (source format)
Digital Intermediate (2K) (master format)
Redcode RAW (5K) (source format) (aerial shots)

[h=5]Printed film format[/h]35 mm (anamorphic) (Kodak Vision 2383)
70 mm (horizontal) (IMAX blow-up) (Kodak Vision 2383)
D-Cinema

[h=5]Aspect ratio[/h]1.90 : 1 (IMAX version)
2.35 : 1
 
Craig W. Bickerstaff said:
There isn't an Epic in the 5 videos available, perhaps the Alexa M cameras were mistaken for Epics.
Click to expand...

Yes, I saw the Alexa, Alexa M, and F3 (used as a prop). Not an Epic to be found in all 5 videos :(
 
I thought I saw an Epic in the 1st, But Now that I have seen it again it is possible it was an Alexa M...
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top