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thought you guys would like to see the 1st half..did it with CapeFear community College a while back, Duke is finishing up the edit right now.
 
Hey Obin,

You're one of the guys that bought into the DVX ? Andromeda system before the tech was sold. That was a great project. So, you're into Red One now. That's great. I'm still using my trusty DVX100A until Scarlet is released.

I'll check out your video post on vimeo.
 
obin said:
http://vimeo.com/1236708

thought you guys would like to see the 1st half..did it with CapeFear community College a while back, Duke is finishing up the edit right now.
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I liked the first part, mostly. Story seems a little predictable and some of the acting isn't the best but all that aside, I felt connected in a way to the characters. I think the most successful part so far, is that I believe the world the director has created for us. Soundtrack needs some work, a little more subtle and in the background rather than so apparent. I would watch the second half.
 
I remember seeing your test grades of this footage. The finished edit lacks any punch at all. Color balance seems off and I have looked at it on a few PC and different MACS. This was edited and finished by the student?
 
I agree with Mike about the connection to the characters and the world. I'm feeling like I'm in that bar and know all about what it's about. The people are just like the people I meet in college all the time.

I'll also agree that the music could be brought down a bit in some areas. Also, I think when it goes down for one of the transitions (i think the first one) it doesn't feel clean due to the sudden loud part of the music popping in right as it fades.
 
remember when you were learning how to do this stuff?? That's where we're at with a bunch of students that have been fortunate enough to work with some of the greatest and newest technology in the world. I can't thank the Olson bro's enough for giving of their time and effort to help out on this project. It is important for readers to know that The O bro's had nothing to do with the edit or color. (Although, I wish they would have had some spare time when we began trying to figure out what we were doing) The entire thing was done by Students and staff, music was given for use, time was donated by a few local pros, some of the actors came out of our drama dept., but the thing was never intended to be a "real" tv show. In fact the entire budget was less than $50. The experience has been unbelievable, and has shown us all a glimpse of what we might be able to accomplish in the future. Here's to comments and critiques!, but most of all here's to RED!!!

Duke
CFCC lead
 
Redguy, I am hoping you may have a moment to discuss your method in and out of COLOR. at the time we started there wasn't much info on how to...(We shot this over 3 months ago), we had a real headache getting our intel mac to work right. Currently we are way underpowered with a dual 3.0 1 gig of ram.(small budgets in community college world). I am now seeing editing proxies, EDL to redcine, compress to ProRes etc. we went in backwards, and I know it... now! We wrote 1 k files into a 1080 Prores timeline, rendered it out and were able to edit. from there we would open up the R3D file and time out in redcine, render another prores file (based on timecode) reinsert on timeline, then we were able to send the file to Color. avoid this method!!.
We would work in color and then notice a particular "plasticwrap" looking color once we sent back to FCP. Obviously I am no color timer but unless we have some settings way skewed I am at a loss in "Color". I know a bunch of guys (and girls) along with myself who would be grateful for any advice.
 
redtruck said:
remember when you were learning how to do this stuff?? That's where we're at with a bunch of students that have been fortunate enough to work with some of the greatest and newest technology in the world. I can't thank the Olson bro's enough for giving of their time and effort to help out on this project. It is important for readers to know that The O bro's had nothing to do with the edit or color. (Although, I wish they would have had some spare time when we began trying to figure out what we were doing) The entire thing was done by Students and staff, music was given for use, time was donated by a few local pros, some of the actors came out of our drama dept., but the thing was never intended to be a "real" tv show. In fact the entire budget was less than $50. The experience has been unbelievable, and has shown us all a glimpse of what we might be able to accomplish in the future. Here's to comments and critiques!, but most of all here's to RED!!!

Duke
CFCC lead
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Even though this is technically a cinematography forum, I think the thing you should be proud of is that most will likely look past the Color Correction and just go along for the ride with you and your characters. Everyone here on this particular forum is going to critique lighting, grades, and all the technical aspects but looking past that, i had a good time watching the edited half of your story and would like to see the second part. Keep us informed.
 
redtruck said:
Redguy, I am hoping you may have a moment to discuss your method in and out of COLOR. at the time we started there wasn't much info on how to...(We shot this over 3 months ago), we had a real headache getting our intel mac to work right. Currently we are way underpowered with a dual 3.0 1 gig of ram.(small budgets in community college world). I am now seeing editing proxies, EDL to redcine, compress to ProRes etc. we went in backwards, and I know it... now! We wrote 1 k files into a 1080 Prores timeline, rendered it out and were able to edit. from there we would open up the R3D file and time out in redcine, render another prores file (based on timecode) reinsert on timeline, then we were able to send the file to Color. avoid this method!!.
We would work in color and then notice a particular "plasticwrap" looking color once we sent back to FCP. Obviously I am no color timer but unless we have some settings way skewed I am at a loss in "Color". I know a bunch of guys (and girls) along with myself who would be grateful for any advice.
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I agree with Mike, the "technical" aspects can be cleaned up later or experience taken into the next project. I think Obin is the man to ask about CC. He does awesome CC work from what I have seen. They are plenty of tutorials around the net about Color. I have just started using it myself so I probably would not be much help.
 
no problem guys, The good news is we now know a few things NOT to do for the 2nd half. I gotta' tell you that although Zeke's is full of flaws, it has been wonderful being heavily challenged again.
 
:) If you guys knew Duke Fire in person, you would jump through a burning ring of fire for him, he is the coolest and meanest AD any set will ever have, at the same time you will love him for it :)

Glad I could work with the man himself and lend what little I and A-dog know about this new red stuff to help this project out.

What you say RedTruck, wana let A dog time it next time? LOL I know what your thinking now!! LOL don't EVEN start(I know we did not and do not have enough time!!!)
 
BTW Duke why are you "junior member" anyway? time that you have been a member??
 
Give credit where credit is due

Give credit where credit is due

Duke has the spirit I wish all 20 year film veterans had. He is willing to change with the times and look to the future. He is one of the best first A.D.'s Ive worked with and although he has some old school methods (many budget efficient, which is good) he is open to trying and learning new things. A lot of veterans are against the digital age and the Indie style of filmmaking. My hats off to all of you filmmakers who move with change.
Duke worked some grueling hours with us on "Fatal Flaw" along with his student crew who killed themselves for the project. I can't thank them enough for their efforts and am indebted. YOU ROCK BRO!!
 
Thanks 'Cuda, I am proud of those boys. Even more happy that some of these students are developing a work ethic, and starting to see how much effort it takes to call yourself a crew-member. Oh yeah, if you and Obin want to try and work me 22 hours again...
memories huh??
 
Memories

Memories

That was a record for me on a film set. 16-17 hrs. on a couple projects (union rates) but not as meaningful. I've worked 30+ hours trying to finish a car for a car show a few times but it's definately something I prefer to avoid. However it's a great milestone for future projects to look back upon and realize what it took to get to the next level, as I said I'm indebted and I won't forget! ROCK ON!!
 
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