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Shooting 1080p HDR

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For most day-to-day uses, I don't expect to shoot 5K, and I'm sure a lot of people won't either, at least not for some time.

Is RED planning some form of compressed REDCode or RGB that can still take advantage of HDR?

Say, a Redcode 10 or something, that can fit an hour on a 16 GB card?

A kinda of "RED" AVCHD or what have you.
 
Why not use the SSD's that will be available? I heard that you would have the choice of either a CF card slot or SSD. You can also add the SSD module, which is what I'm going to do.
 
A more video production friendly scaled 1080p RGB mode is still part of the feature set I think. Not known if this mode will support HDR or not. Probably still have to record RAW for HDR and it should be more compact file size than the RGB format.
You will have a range of compression choices and shooting formats. I think most people shooting for HD finish shoot in Quad HD mode, 3840 x 2060 resolution RAW. Don't think you will fit more than about 20 minutes max on a 16GB CF card in any mode though unless you take live HDSDI feed to an external long GOP video recorder.
 
I think it makes a lot of sense to ask for a "RED" AVCHD of sorts.

It just makes Scarlet a camera much more versatile; you can shoot a huge Hollywood picture on it as well as a wedding that's going to DVD.

Of course I would expect something better than AVCHD, but I think that at least a 1080p format that doesn't take up too much card/disc space would be very welcome.
 
Thomas Church said:
I think it makes a lot of sense to ask for a "RED" AVCHD of sorts.

It just makes Scarlet a camera much more versatile; you can shoot a huge Hollywood picture on it as well as a wedding that's going to DVD.

Of course I would expect something better than AVCHD, but I think that at least a 1080p format that doesn't take up too much card/disc space would be very welcome.
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They are introducing proxy modules, the first announced being an H.264 MPEG4 version.
 
David Rasberry said:
They are introducing proxy modules, the first announced being an H.264 MPEG4 version.
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You will still have the REDCODE files on the media, so that won't save space. Its just adding to the current Quicktime proxies you got with the RED One.
 
Neil B Smith said:
You will still have the REDCODE files on the media, so that won't save space. Its just adding to the current Quicktime proxies you got with the RED One.
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Like i said, if you need some sort of highly compressed video for compact file size, extended recording time and low end video finish, an external recorder will be the best option.
 
I agree with David, I think Red's not gonna get into highly compressed and lower quality video format, as their main concern is to get extreme hight quality enormous frames.
Maybe something like the Atomos Ninja (http://atomos.com/Ninja/) could fit your needs.
 
My point is: this is something (I think) they could easily add on a firmware update.

It's a very useful option to shoot events, weddings, pretty much most small jobs that won't go beyond DVD or the Web.

Scarlet should be the most versatile camera ever.

You can shoot Pirates of the Caribbean 4 on it as well as your uncle Joe's wedding.
 
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My point is: this is something (I think) they could easily add on a firmware update.
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Maybe not. MPEG-4 encoding is mostly done with dedicated ASICs optimized for the function. Red's hardware is optimized for wavelet compression not the discrete cosine compression scheme of MPEG. We haven't seen yet what they are doing for the full frame 1080p RGB format encoding anyway. But it takes significant processing power apparently so you would probably not get the HDR function with that format anyway.
 
... and by the way, Jim seemed to pretend that Scarlet is also for professionals, not for apprentice videographer.
So "REDvchd" is probably not Red's concern.
 
Franck De Togni said:
... and by the way, Jim seemed to pretend that Scarlet is also for professionals, not for apprentice videographer.
So "REDvchd" is probably not Red's concern.
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"Pretend"?
 
1080p RGB output has always been on the scarlets spec sheets, I dont think thats changed
 
Maybe that's a good question to ask the squad !
 
Very interesting question for me and I would bet for a lot of borderline low-end pros interested in Scarlet Fixed.

I'm working off of limited RED knowledge and limited (age-impaired) memory and I'm too lazy/busy to check old threads so I would really appreciate it if anyone would correct me if any of this is wrong.

1. I thought the 1080P will be RGB 4:4:4, which makes the files larger than Raw.

2. I thought someone from the RED team once said EasyHDR can be viewed through the monitor, so it's plausible it can be output through HDMI. Which would mean recorders that can record from HDMI, like the low budget Atomos Ninja could record that signal, but no TC. (OK, the monitor is 720p, but at least this proves a monitor-viewable signal is being generated in EasyHDR).

3. Scarlet Fixed [and maybe all Scarlets] do not have a HD-SDI output, so the only way to get it would be to buy an expensive [relative to the price of the Fixed] pro i/o module.

4. The request for a Pro-Res module has been made several times that I can remember. RED has either said no or not responded - anyone remember which?

5. Forget about HDRx. That requires dual-stream RAW output.
 
David Rasberry said:
Like i said, if you need some sort of highly compressed video for compact file size, extended recording time and low end video finish, an external recorder will be the best option.
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Like using the AJA KI Pro mini?? but then you can't use the REDCODE files if you're recording your footage on another source. Seems pointless to me in having a RED. Just get yourself a RED DRIVE or use the SSD module. I would prefer to use the REDCODE files not some other arbitrary format. You can always go out to some other format when you've graded your footage.

If you are worried about storage capacity because you can't afford an SSD module with the SSD's for your RED camera, then why both with a RED? Just go for a EX-3 or something similar thats currently on the market and just shoot GOOD footage.

One other method would be BACKUP. Take a laptop and an external hard-drive with you on your shoot and BACKUP your footage, then clear the drive after you have tested and checked the BACKUP copy. Then you're ready to shoot again.
 
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