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Sherlock Holmes - What has Richie done?

And as for accuracy, just how many of the James Bond films have included Ian Flemming's detail that 007 has a passion for egg salad? And not just to go with his Beluga caviar!
 
Mitch Gross said:
And as for accuracy, just how many of the James Bond films have included Ian Flemming's detail that 007 has a passion for egg salad? And not just to go with his Beluga caviar!
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And that he drank more whisky than shaken martini's in all of fleming's books.

Paul
 
All that aside though, the film does look rather odd... Though I can't help but feel that's Ritchie's sense of humour to put out a big brash advert with explosions and whatnot, simply to get people to say what the hell has he done. I doubt the film will play anything like it.

Paul
 
When I first saw the trailer I thought it was a spoof of the real one. Then, alas, I noticed was the real one I was watching.

I'm hoping that the trailer is one of those ham fisted attempts by a US studio to make a film trailer fit into a nice neat category (action for this one) so they can package it easily for an audience. Although I sadly doubt it...

On a side note:
Ever notice they do this for every foreign language film ever?
I've never seen a trailer for one where any of the characters actually speak, instead they have the over the top narrator dictate the plot, and totally miss sell it because heavens-forbid an audience would ever see a foreign language film like Amelie knowing what it was.

See what I mean:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQfTBrR6D4k :)
 
I am not disputing holmes ability to fight, neither am I dismissing his supposed expertise with the singlestick. Its the rest of the trailer and the Richie tone that is really playing with my mind. The dive out of the window for one. Maybe we are just used to see a rather aged version of Holmes and this is a younger play on it...but then traditionally speaking Watson would not have been around at that point.

It has always been a point of conversation that the darker side of Holmes' nature has not really been explored in TV or film...only alluded to...but the whole trailer reeks of "Hollywood Does Holmes"...

I hope you are right Ed that this is a just a trailer to rally interest to maximise on attendance and interest, upon release. I am staying positive and try to believe that they have been true to his character in the larger sense. That the centre of the film IS the science of deduction, the twists of the tale...and NOT a Victorian John McClane saving London.
 
I was lucky enough to have worked on this film. We were responsible for Phantom HD shots of the fighting scene and some SI2K shots that haven't made it into trailer. It was mainly to do with integration of these digital sources to the rest of the 35mm shot material.
All I can say is that it is going to be great movie. Sherlock Holmes is much more than what we have seen on the screen so far and it is great that somebody is updating the story. In a way this is a film that my kids are going to like more than any other existing Sherlock Holmes version out there.
This movie is doing to do great job for the audience that hasn't seen any Sherlock Holmes movies before.
And in regards to Guy Richie - don't just judge him by what press and critics say ... he might be really nice guy - you never know
 
It sounds like you got well paid for the job you did on this movie.

(nothing peronal)

Let's watch it first though, I agree (even though, mmhhh)
 
mytherapy said:
In a way this is a film that my kids are going to like more than any other existing Sherlock Holmes version out there.
This movie is doing to do great job for the audience that hasn't seen any Sherlock Holmes movies before.
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These two comments basically encapsulate my fears...

I don't want this film to be something enjoyed by kids (no offence to you and your family of course). If people havent seen or read Holmes before its horrendous that this would be seen as the first outing....But I can't really say this because I havent seen the film. I'm just going by the trailer.

Obviously the film looks fantastic, the acting will be top notch, the directing will be stylish and playful...but will it hold true to the essence of Sherlock Holmes.

I am in no way considering that its like the horrendous 'almost' catastrophe of Ben Affleck and Jennifer Lopez remaking Casablanca a few years back...not in the least. I am just a little disappointed lets leave it at that ;)
 
Tim Hole said:
If people havent seen or read Holmes before its horrendous that this would be seen as the first outing....But I can't really say this because I havent seen the film. I'm just going by the trailer.
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I think this can actually be positive/ make people seek out and compare the originals. I don't think I would have been prompted to read Edgar Rice Burroughs's TARZAN if I hadn't seen GREYSTOKE. And even the horrid TARZAN:THE APE MAN with Bo Derek. God, she was... wow.

Anyway, I'll see any Sherlock Holmes film because I'm a fan of the character, so although the trailer looks a bit off, I'm reserving judgement.
 
Tim Hole said:
totally! I think the less we say about the Madonna film the better.
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Depends which Madonna film you are talking about.... this one is short but very funny! :rofl:

Enjoy!

Paul
 
Nobody can "judge" about any film upon a trailer but as I can "smell" this could be Ritchie's biggest box office success.
 
It's based on a graphic novel apparently...so it's not going to be traditional, more of a reimagining/reloading of the franchise (it worked for "Batman"!). Maybe a bit like "From Hell" [but with more believable accents hopefully!!]?

Incidentally I remember hearing that a lot of the traditional Sherlock Holmes iconography like the deer-stalker hat, the cape and the curvy pipe weren't even in the book - they were dreamt up for stage and film versions....
 
Yannick, While we may agree that it is unfortunate that the large percent of humanity now prefers to watch sports being performed to reading a good book, it is what it is. 8 year old infant minded people pay for movie tickets. Not every film can or has to be a deep thought provoking masterpiece. A good rip-roaring adventure can be satisfying occasionally too.

EDIT: Not arguing with you. Just looking at reality.
 
Alan Skinner said:
Yannick, While we may agree that it is unfortunate that the large percent of humanity now prefers to watch sports being performed to reading a good book, it is what it is. 8 year old infant minded people pay for movie tickets. Not every film can or has to be a deep thought provoking masterpiece. A good rip-roaring adventure can be satisfying occasionally too.

EDIT: Not arguing with you. Just looking at reality.
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Alan, I have nothing against entertainment as long as it has some sort of content. But by watching this trailer I feel it's quite ovious that it's a movie designed by managers to sell tickets. I think we could be surprised how many swear about the non existent indie movie distribution system in another thread here and then buy a ticket for just this movie.

I think there are more people who read a good book instead of watching sports at TV, but Nike won't show ads on the back of bookcovers. Domination of monetarism. Literature lovers wear black anyway. :)

My opinion is that you can educate the people to be pleased by that sort of content. Many fellows are passive in selecting content at most. If you own enough multiplexes they will watch it. If you end up having the choice among Superman or Sherlock Homes you and your friends will choose whatever.

England clearly shows that with its cuisine. Only stupid people would eat all that unhealthy food. I don't think that English people are any more stupid than the rest of the world. But the thing by eating out in England is: You have to eat garbage. :) :beer:
 
Interesting. Why not? Its just trailer. We will see how SH looks from this point of view. :popcorn:
 
Yannick Hagman said:
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England clearly shows that with its cuisine. Only stupid people would eat all that unhealthy food. I don't think that English people are any more stupid than the rest of the world. But the thing by eating out in England is: You have to eat garbage. :) :beer:
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What?! There's no doubt there's quite a lot of garbage food available in England, but to generalise so much even in jest...Believe me there are worst cuisines in the world! In fact I just had a brilliant fish & chips - nothing soggy, tasteless or greasy about it and less than £10 :-)
 
David Wyatt said:
It's based on a graphic novel apparently...so it's not going to be traditional, more of a reimagining/reloading of the franchise (it worked for "Batman"!). Maybe a bit like "From Hell" [but with more believable accents hopefully!!]?

Incidentally I remember hearing that a lot of the traditional Sherlock Holmes iconography like the deer-stalker hat, the cape and the curvy pipe weren't even in the book - they were dreamt up for stage and film versions....
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No that is absolutely true! He was never described wearing a deerstalker hat, and he never would...unless he was in the country (being a hat for rural attire - same goes for the cape!). He was fashion conscious and 'properly' dressed! It would be ludicrous to even consider a London gentleman such as Holmes to wear a deer stalker hat in the city. He never smoked a Calabash pipe...he has been described as having three specific pipes. A black stone pipe, usually a rosewood pipe and then the cherrywood pipe when he was in a mood.

It was during the theatre productions there were put on during the victorian period that a certain actor started using the Calabash on stage.

Graphic Novel...it all makes sense now. I looked it up. Yes it is based on the yet unpublished graphic novel take on Sherlock Holmes by former WB Creative Exec Lionel Wigram.

"Though the plot of Wigram's approach to the 19th century detective remains a secret, it is believed it reimagines Holmes as a more adventurous character, who exploits his pugilistic talents and swordsmanship, according to Variety.

Warner Bros has been considering a new cinematic approach to the Baker Street resident for a number of years, with The Descent director Neil Marshall at one point attached to direct."

I have no problem with the re-imagining of stories or characters and do at some point encourage it to a certain level, as long as it is artistic at heart. I am just a bit precious of this one I think.

It is the same as remakes. I am not looking forward to the remake of Rififi as it is another of my absolute favourite films.
 
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