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Shane Hurlbut sez you can't tell the difference between 5D video and 35MM...

The screen grab they are showing for this test is Film:
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He is even holding a contest to see who can spot what!
 
if that was the case...why not just do the whole thing on 5D? just wondering...

surely save on cost, set up time (its lighter and I'm guessing faster to set up then film, never used either though so maybe wrong) and probably even just the transfer between the camera and the edit suite would be faster...so...
 
I can post some 5D2 footage that no one will mistake for film.
 
You mean: Shane Hurlbut sez you can't tell the difference between self promo and serious content.
 
haha...what about 5D footage that people WILL mistake for film?
 
too bad

too bad

its so unfortunate - the popular media LOVES to tell stories that usurp the old and the big bad - in this case, the result is an erosion of the public value placed on quality, inadvertantly. The average person, in a theater on a big screen, probably could tell you that well shot and posted 35mm was better than the same 5d material side by side. I tell my clients often - western consumers are very very sophisticated consumers of media, but they don't know it. They can't tell you WHY very well made TV/film is better than low end stuff, but they know its better.

This type of things makes our battle for quality over quantity tougher. If the 5D (which we DO use for some things, when its the right tool) really WAS as good as RED/35mm, we'd sure as hell use it all the time - but it aint. I wish it was. It would be a lot easier to make stuff we were proud of.
 
He's on the right track...

Light well enough and anything will assume the socio-cultural cinematic perception of what film is meant to look like.
 
Although no amount lighting will stop a street sign from looking like jello if the rolling shutter is too extreme.

But based on the subject matter I think he chose pretty safe material to hide the drawbacks of the competing system. I guess it all goes back to "good enough". Sometimes a 5D is good enough. Sometimes it isn't.
 
Ace said:
He's on the right track...

Light well enough and anything will assume the socio-cultural cinematic perception of what film is meant to look like.
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I agree with Ace here. I will bet this is all daylight plenty of light nothing to contrasty footage that is hard to look bad. Add in some shallow depth of field stuff and voila instant cinema
 
Ace said:
He's on the right track...

Light well enough and anything will assume the socio-cultural cinematic perception of what film is meant to look like.
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That is undoubtedly true and I bet every 5D forum on the net is awash with posters who think their 5D is as good as 35mm film - which certainly isn't true.
 
Tom L said:
I can post some 5D2 footage that no one will mistake for film.
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I have plenty here myself. I was hoping to check out the bikinis...:thumbsup:

OK.. I managed to download the video. Nice bikini shots.
 
I don't know this Shane guy and don't have a dog in this fight, but I bet the people making these Bale jokes would never make them to his face.

It would not surprise me at all if he reads here, so keep that in mind. More big names are lurking here than most of us imagine. :)
 
H.264 vs. RAW

H.264 vs. RAW

We did a filmout test using H.264 and the results on still frame could almost pass for having been shot on film, but when moving on the uncompressed film print the results were not good, I would call them for the most part un-usable.

If you are viewing both film and 5D AS H.264 then you are not viewing film as film, so you cannot say it is as good as film since you are NOT looking at film.

If you want to do a side by side you need a 30 meter screen and a 2nd generation step contact print from a good ECN negative, along with a filmout from the 5D, then you can see compression artifacts on a matching grade.
 
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