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SEXY OLED Grading Monitor

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OLED also has the benefit of incredible contrast reproduction, because there is no backlight the blacks truly are black.
 
Contrast and color reproduction is excellent, but they flicker terribly. They have similar mosquito noise compared to plasma, but it's not really an issue. Did I mention that they flicker? Poor viewing angles, nowhere near as good as the current crop of IPS LCD panels. Really, have you seen the flicker?

The more expensive models seem to handle the flicker better, but come at a much higher price and still don't eliminate it entirely.

As nice as the black levels are, there are just too many other shortcomings right now in relation to the high early-adopter price tag. YMMV... I'll stick with the plasma until these other issues get ironed out. I'm pretty much on a display-buying moratorium around here until I can start buying 4K monitors anyway. I'm actually getting a 4K (Quad-HD really) demo panel here in about 4 or 5 months.
 
Untill them what monitors are you guys using for grading? <6K
If I gonna buy today...
Any tips?
Cheers
 
Thanks Florian,
I saw something about the new Panasonic Plasma too...forgot the name right now.
But Thanks again...will check hte FS.
Cheers
 
Hi Chris thanks for the info.
Cheers
 
Hello Jeff

I am interested in the flicker problem you mentioned with he Sony OLED monitors.

In your experience, is the flicker at 24P worse then flicker at 30P, all most all our work is done at 30P, in the past I have always noticed more flicker problems at 24P and 25P then 30P on any monitor.

Thanks

Craig
 
The flicker on the OLEDs is pretty bad with this generation. I believe all the ones on the market currently are using the Samsung/Sony OLED panels and it's inherent to their design. Sony has been able to mitigate the flicker somewhat on their higher-end series, but it's still there. On the lower-end / lower-priced OLED offerings, the flicker is so bad that you have to send a 30p/60i signal to the display (or 25p/50i for PAL models) to minimize it. Most of the authorized dealers are recommending signal converters like the Decimator, if needed. It's not a refresh strobing like you get on plasmas at lower frame rates -- where you can dial up to 48 or 96 Hz to compensate. This is full on flicker, sometimes intermittent or random in severity.

I demoed a 25" Sony PVM-whatever two weeks ago, it should be the same model linked by the OP -- I think that's the only 25" OLED Sony has in this price range, their upper BVWhatever model is a lot more expensive. The dealer wanted me to use it for a week and review it. Let's just say they were not happy with me when I gave them my honest review. Even after they told me in advance about the converter issue and that it "had a few flaws" so I don't have to "sugar coat it". WTF..?

Anyway, got off on a tangent there. I don't think they'll be publishing my review to their blog.

The deep blacks and overall color gamut was very impressive. The OLED still demonstrated some compression of range in the highlights -- something we see with LCD as well, more so than Plasma or CRT. In another generation or two, these OLED panels are going to rock! It's just new tech and there are some growing pains. Supposedly they already will have much better viewing angles with the next generation and should have most of the flicker issues fixed. I guess that has something to do with phase conversion on the diodes -- they don't like to operate out of their intended phase. They work great at 50Hz or 60Hz, or any denominator thereof, but struggle when off synch from that. Their goal is to push the panels to support higher sync and refresh rates, as has been done with LCD panels to give proper response at 24fps.

There are a lot of glowing reviews out there for the OLED panels, some seem to be a little too good to be true and tend to be served up by those who may have a biased perspective or dealers who sell them. Best advice I can give anyone is to try and find one yourself and try it out. See it work in action, with the same settings and type of signal input you will be feeding it. For what it's worth, if I were only doing 29.97 and 59.97 (30/60Hz) work for broadcast delivery, I would probably buy one. And that is the market they are currently targeting -- broadcast people who are not looking to feed them with 24fps and who are looking to replace old 13" or similar sized CRTs that are on their last leg, but haven't done so since LCD's haven't had the black levels and gamut to warrant the shift. The black levels on the OLED are superior to most any CRT. They're really nice.
 
I thought it prudent to revive this thread. Sony has developed a fix for the flicker issue in these OLED monitors. They are going through some protocol issues and determining how they will engineer the FREE upgrades to all of the monitors already out in the field or warehoused by resellers, so the update will likely not be available for another month or so. But we had a long meeting about the importance of this functionality and Sony agreed and ten figured out a way to implement it. If you buy a monitor today or have already purchased one, the update will be free. If you wait then the monitor will ship with the update installed. Either way, these excellent OLED monitors with their extreme off-axis viewing angles, true blacks, excellent sharpness and accurate colors are a great item for all production monitoring.
 
Mitch Gross said:
OLED monitors with their extreme off-axis viewing angles, true blacks, excellent sharpness and accurate colors are a great item for all production monitoring.
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Hi Mitch, Thanks for the update but, or my test unit is bad... or you didn't see the oled working...

The off axis is no more than 90º, h or v, without very big color shift.
The accurate color is 6950ºK white at rec709. This is accurate?... maybe not. The color is completely different than my CRT and Plasma... maybe my others monitors are not accurate.
I can't see sharpness because i only see flicker.
True blacks, yes you are right!, the best, is so black that my i1 display pro didn't detect it, and can't calibrate it.
Great item, maybe for a child.

Sorry Mitch, but i'm very disappointed with this monitor.

Saludos,

Jose.
 
Sorry you had this bad experience. Others are raving about it. I must say that I do not agree with your findings in general here.
 
Mitch Gross said:
I thought it prudent to revive this thread. Sony has developed a fix for the flicker issue in these OLED monitors. They are going through some protocol issues and determining how they will engineer the FREE upgrades to all of the monitors already out in the field or warehoused by resellers, so the update will likely not be available for another month or so. But we had a long meeting about the importance of this functionality and Sony agreed and ten figured out a way to implement it. If you buy a monitor today or have already purchased one, the update will be free. If you wait then the monitor will ship with the update installed. Either way, these excellent OLED monitors with their extreme off-axis viewing angles, true blacks, excellent sharpness and accurate colors are a great item for all production monitoring.
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Mitch,

Popped in the New York Offices, back in the summer, the new diggs look nice. Will Abel be setting up a Post Production room to demo some of the gear such as the aforementioned monitor?
 
I just got a 17" PVM and am floored by it!! The best part is its the first 17" monitor with full 1080 res so it looks incredible.

I used it on a job last week, people kept thinking shots on the B camera we out of focus because we were monitoring it with a Panasonic 1710.

Very please with this monitor, can't wait for the update from sony to fix the flicker issue.
 
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