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Sensor size: It's horses for courses

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I've followed the Red story and conversations on Reduser for many months. This is my first post.

First let me say that I think Red is a unique company, doing amazing things. My hope is that Red will continue to make groundbreaking imaging technology and codecs to suit a variety of needs and users.

I don't think a debate about what constitutes "professional" is helpful in this regard. In the world I'm most familiar with, documentary, technical minimum imaging standards are defined by the broad- or cable-caster, say Discovery or the BBC, and what constitutes "professional" will undoubtedly be a moving target as technology advances.

As for the dimensions of the sensor, this debate is even more beside the point--it's horses for courses. 2/3" sensors have greater depth of field and require physically smaller lenses than s35, especially for long lenses. The tradeoff is a less "cinematic" look than s35 (at most focal lengths). Thus for documentary, wildlife, action/sports, and shoots with small crews, a 2/3" camera is a much more suitable choice than s35. The cost of the camera or some notion of what's "professional" is beside the point.

Would I like a camera that records 4k rather than 3k? Sure. But for my work, having to use a s35 sensor creates headaches and may require another crew member just to pull focus. This is not how I'd planned to shoot an upcoming documentary.

My hope is that Red will produce great cameras in a variety of shapes and sizes to suit a variety of "professional" needs. These might range from lipstick/helmet cameras (with say 1/2" sensors) to IMAX--all sharing the "secret sauce" of Red's codec.

After all the hard work that Red put into the 2/3" Scarlet (including the fixed lens, which seemed to have great potential), I hope some variant of this camera sees the light of day in the not-too-distant future. It would define its own market segment.
 
To be honest, I don't see how 2/3" would ease the workflow I use when shooting. I have shot 2 feature documentaries, 2 feature films and many concept films using a 35mm rig. That will keep you busy pulling focus all the time, much more than s35. Still, most clients really loved the specific feel it delivered. Scarlet X comes at the right time in this market with a perfect answer to most of the pitfalls from other cameras currently available.
For me a huge step up, also in budget, nevertheless reachable.
That said, I understand your point, and I hope for you that such an affordable solution will come out in the future.
 
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The Epic/Scarlet-X weighs 4.5 lbs and can easily be used with Super16 glass with very good imaging characteristics if you're shooting for 1080p delivery.

Here's how (many thanks to Hans von Sonntag for the technique):

1. Shoot at 3K 2:1.

2. Customise in the EFV the TV safe guides to a figure that the portholing/vignetting of the lens is outside of this area.

3. In RedCine-X Pro crop the footage to 2400x1350 16:9 which will keep the picture clean of vignetting edges. This is enough flesh for a full resolving 1080p debayer @ 80% efficiency. According to Hans, the pictures created with such an setup are much, much better than 2K and visibly better than anything a Sony F900R produces.

The physical image size at 2400x1350 is 12.96 mm by 7.29 mm. Super16 is normally 12.52 mm by 7.41 mm @ 1.67:1 aspect ratio, so that's basically an identical look-and-feel, optically for a 100% clean 1080p image.

For reference, the Illumina Super 16mm prime set (6 lenses) covers the entire sensor using this technique without vignetting. It also seems likely the Canon 8-64 zoom would do so as well (anyone know what it covers?).

Ideally, RED would add a little more built-in support for this technique, but even so, this is a very viable way to do S16mm production using an Epic/Scarlet-X. With the Epic, the high-speed shooting is something like 180 fps!
 
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