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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Scratch 3.9 rocks on MacPro 8 core

the main issue is figuring out the best way to retain the use of the RAW data when finishing in any format be it film/SD or HD.
right now 'Scratcheenie' is the cheapest possible way to do that as far as i can tell.

No offense to Assimilate but hopefully that will change when the SDK is available and another company decides to make a product at either a lower price point with specific features and/or broader platform support (and yes i fully understand the reasons Scratch of any flavor is not on a mac).

but thats all we got right now.
 
Reality Check:

About 96% RedUsers would need HD, SD and all other formats below that for a distribution.

The highest quality of distribution in that area that would something finished

mostly on 1080p HD BLUE-RAY Disk and it needs a color sampling of 4:2:2 or 4:2:0 even.

They should be the most of them FCStudio/Color users.

About 4% RedUsers would need print to film.

For a print to film and 4K/2K digital cinema distribution where they would

need color sampling 4:4:4 , 4K DPX 10 bit Lin files, etc.

Here at this point they should be a real SCRATCH users.

Don't forget that is just PRINT TO FILM or DIGITAL 4K/2K DISTRIBUTION.

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That maybe comes SCRATCH CINE that would be something to cover all sort of broadcast distribution need(s).
 
Sanjin, I value your posts, and I'm in that 96% group at the moment. But this is the great thing about the RED that's available: It's busting down those barriers set by corporations solely in touch with holding back technology in order to safeguard future profits: slow releases, basic upgrades at a snails-pace. Jim seems to be juggling so many items at the moment he makes the circus man with the bowling pin, the scissors, a torch, a chain saw and an ice-cream cone look like the school yard putz.

However, analists (;>) say Blue-Ray will soon die, too. How can consumers consume RED high-end products? My point is, the company is becoming very affordable with the new cam, and the post flow will have to follow. They need a seemless workflow; cross-platform and cut-rate. Of course, as Jim recently said, "Don't forget, we're 2 years and four months old." Ay, Captain!

And I apologize for not being technical enough. This will surely change when I exchange my left arm for a RED ONE camera (mounted)!
 
I agree. I think there has to be an alternative to Scratch, whiche beyond it's value and qualities, is way out of the 'indie' Red statement and budget. We need a full FCP suite workflow that can reach distrib for everything under 4K or 2K... Don't get me wrong, I love Scratch, I saw it work, it's the best for Red footage, a great dev partner, but that's for Soderbergh's pockets for now... Please Assimilate, make a (Mac) Scratch LE for FCP users for all formats down from 2K! (or is it called "Color"?...)

:innocent:

PS: Hey, we've been tough and demanding on Red, we should burden Assimilate in the same way! :construction:
 
Scratch is the sole tool out there for RED RAW today.
That will change when the SDK comes out (Build 16, remember)
What that implies, we don't know yet, but it looks like all the major players have internal versions of RedRAW support running, eagerly waiting to pull the trigger.

So: If you have a project, shoot now, cut, see what's available when you need it, Buy.

Gunleik
 
Stacey Spears said:
Blu-ray is an 8-bit 4:2:0 format.
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Could be,

I'm just researching.

But anyway A MASTER of the project should minimum at 4:2:2 DPX/Cineon 10 bit Lin and with 4:4:4 should be at the best.

Whatever 4K, 2K, 1080p, 1080i, 720p, SD PAL, SD NTSC, Web video, iPod, YouTube, etc...
 
ricopedra said:
Sanjin, I value your posts, and I'm in that 96% group at the moment. But this is the great thing about the RED that's available: It's busting down those barriers set by corporations solely in touch with holding back technology in order to safeguard future profits: slow releases, basic upgrades at a snails-pace. Jim seems to be juggling so many items at the moment he makes the circus man with the bowling pin, the scissors, a torch, a chain saw and an ice-cream cone look like the school yard putz.

However, analists (;>) say Blue-Ray will soon die, too. How can consumers consume RED high-end products? My point is, the company is becoming very affordable with the new cam, and the post flow will have to follow. They need a seemless workflow; cross-platform and cut-rate. Of course, as Jim recently said, "Don't forget, we're 2 years and four months old." Ay, Captain!

And I apologize for not being technical enough. This will surely change when I exchange my left arm for a RED ONE camera (mounted)!
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Ricopedra,

I'm working hard on all the ISSUES and (one day) we will WIN.

PSSSSSSTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Be very very careful about trusting a DVI output for correct color. Also what about scopes ? No the internal software ones don't count as you proceed to spit out illegal video.
 
Jeff Brue said:
Be very very careful about trusting a DVI output for correct color. Also what about scopes ? No the internal software ones don't count as you proceed to spit out illegal video.
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With my doing things all is a legal and no any illegal things, video or whatever..
 
Ok Sanjin I have a question for you. My Expresscard Sata adapter for my MBP just arrived and this is what I'm testing now.

You have your source files in a esata raid, edit on FCP and then reboot on XP and conform/cc on scratch. So the bit I don't still get from this, is how do you bridge the filesystems? In which format do you create a crossplatform esata raid? HFS+? Does Macdrive for windows read raids? It has been kind of unstable for me.

Please explain this configuration to me. Thanks.


Also, regarding the discussion... I wanted to remind everybody that there was an announcement about future native R3D support in Color. Now imagine if the FCP sequence imported on Color by de-referencing the proxies and replacing them with the R3D's.
I know it's a big IF, and limited to 2K, but that'd be a pretty pretty neat workflow for many people, dontchathink?
 
If you will be sharing the
hard drive between Mac and Windows operating
environments, you will want to follow these guidelines:
Mac OS X prefers that all partitions be the same
format, therefore only the first FAT 32 partition is
guaranteed to mount.
So you will need to reformat your drive from HFS+, the Mac Operating system to FAT 32.

Mac OS 10.5.x a.k.a. Leopard mounts any FAT 32 drive of any size.

FAT 32
FAT is an acronym for File Allocation Table, which
dates back to the beginnings of DOS programming.
Originally, FAT was only 16 bits, but after the second
release of Windows 95 it was upgraded to 32 bits, hence
the name FAT 32. In theory, FAT 32 volume sizes can
range from less than 1MB all the way to 2TB. It is the
native file system of Windows 98 and Windows Me,
and is supported by Windows 2000 and XP. When FAT
32 is used with Windows 2000 and XP, though, volume
size is limited to 32GB (by the Windows partition
utility, i.e. Disk Manager), and the individual file size is
limited to 4GB.

Use FAT 32 if:
You want to access your data on any Operating System
- FAT 32 is compatible with Windows 98 SE,
Me, 2000, XP, NT, Mac OS 9.x and Mac OS 10.x
 
I use FAT32 for pendrives! I've had terrible headaches running against its limitations and don't use it in my hard disks anymore...
How are you avoiding the 4Gb limit? Using only dpx files you are ok, but don't you have r3d's bigger than that?

Also, do you mind if I ask you what raid level and number of drives you're using with the MBP? Are you using the silicon image utilities?
 
The RED also uses FAT32 on it's storage mediums so that both OSX and Windoze can read/write. The R3D's are split into (I think) 2GB chunks.
 
By the way, you can write to NTFS over Samba just fine from OSX.

Eg, if you have a Win2003 server box or similar running Samba, you can connect to it over a network via SMB and write files to it from OSX because the Windoze box is doing the actual writing.
 
Bloated?

Bloated?

I have a project in progress right now and I simply copied the footage to both the Scratch (PC) box and the Mac FCP rig. It used up twice as much storage space but I like having a back up anyway. Once the project is done I'll just archive the media to a cheap drive (or LTO) and shelve it. The upside is each system is managing bytes in its file format of greatest efficiency. IMHO FAT ain't phat.

Just one man's plan, YMMV.
 
Hey thanks everyone for your answers. It seems the only risk of running against the FAT32 limits is actually if you render some kind of intermediate file, but what we are discussing here is straight r3d's, dpx's and quicktime reference files.
Very neat!
 
Format ya drive as NTFS and get NTFS for OSX.

Format in OSX disk utility as NTFS and use GUID

1TB Seagate NS Blackmagic speed test
HFS read 100 write 89
NTFS (with ntfs for osx installed) read 100 write 89

Putting my theory into practice and formatting the external raid as NTFS 4TB nxt and see if that works under both xp and osx. HBA is working under both.

My main issue is the refresh between modules in Scratch 3.9 with the 8800 in a macpro is soooooooooo slow... :(
 
Sean said:
Thanks Luki. Couldn't find that info on Assimilate's site.
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Sean,

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The Highend Scratch/Boxxx sellers on this thread are very quiet the last few pages of this threat. Please feel free to comment!! :spidy:

Ofcourse. a Realtime 4K R3D solution is great.
But the fact there is a 4K workflow on a dual Boot MacBook Pro is pretty awesome.
I think the scratch software only price is too much.
but i understand with the current R3D monopoly :ranting2:
 
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